[Baron Von Zeppelin]

From whats being passed on to us in various readings -
6 Sticks known to exist
5 Autos known to exist

12 documented by PHS

What is the 12th car ? One that popped out of woodwork since those writings - or just a Block VIN. We only need 2 more to have them all covered.

Who knows about any other ones not listed

[Bet Winner]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Also found an ad print version of the BW/UJ Silver car.

Here is a short video of that old silver car...........................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr1t-NtKFDQ

[Diego]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

6 sticks
3 autos

3 to go

5 left to find in the bushes and barns

I thought we don't know the total number yet?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

That's true Diego.
I'm just trying to keep some hope and optimism alive.
I still want to see a Black 4spd and a WT7 4spd arise.

It could be there were only 6 Sticks and 4 Autos built, and all accounted.
Or just the 12 that have been claimed to have been PHS'd.
My side bet is on 17 total with 11 and 6 - but its a small wager.

I will bet 20 bucks against more Automatics being built than Sticks tho.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Bet Winner

Here is a short video of that old silver car........

i found 3 diff youtubes on that car last night - each one stated different production figures. lol


Here is another picture of that Silver Car.
I'll never forget when Hoots rolled the car cover off that thing for me to see it.
.....
The more time passes, the more awesome it gets that you owned it back then.
Those were good days for all of us.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

It wasn't really very cool that the Red/Sandal/White 4spd didn't have a finished product picture. I felt bad that those really really tired "before and during" shots were its only representation on this thread.

So i found some finished pics of it.

If anyone has a couple or few better pics of the Green/Green/White 4spd -
i'd appreciate having some better ones for my files. thankyou

[muscle_collector]

now that is one nice pic double stacked. are they both ra4???

[limejudge69]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

i found 3 diff youtubes on that car last night - each one stated different production figures. lol


Here is another picture of that Silver Car.
I'll never forget when Hoots rolled the car cover off that thing for me to see it.
.....
The more time passes, the more awesome it gets that you owned it back then.
Those were good days for all of us.

Was this car at the old downtown Winston Salem warehouse that Terry worked out of?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

M_C , idunno if they're both IV.
Posted pic hoping someone might know tho.



LimeJudge, yes BW had it stored in there for a little while.
You must have gotten one of the limited exclusive viewings of it too.

[Tellyshavilli]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

i found 3 diff youtubes on that car last night - each one stated different production figures. lol


Here is another picture of that Silver Car.
I'll never forget when Hoots rolled the car cover off that thing for me to see it.
.....
The more time passes, the more awesome it gets that you owned it back then.
Those were good days for all of us.

Theres also a Silver raiv auto rag

[JKGTO]

I believe the cars in the double stacked Judges picture did belong to Ray DeCrescenzo. I did see the pair for sale a while back but dont know if they were sold. They are both RAIV cars and so is the Orbit Orange car. Jim

[henley]

I saw a list of known cars a few years ago with there vins.. The barn find from chicago was on it as that car has been known for some time, just not for sale. 6 4-speeds and 12 autos. List was compiled from 20 years of research by the owner of one of the 4 speeds. Not saying there wasn't more built, just saying that number confirmed known with vins is 18.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by henley

I saw a list of known cars ...

That blows my mind.
I don't doubt you saw a list -
but for whatever reasons , i have to question its authenticity/accuracy overall.
1000 questions i won't even try to ask.

But want to ask if there is any chance you could re-contact that person and get them to supply you a copy to submit to Jim Mattison ?
That would be 6 more than he has documented, so he should appreciate the data.
And he could confirm if they are all IV JVerts and that 6 Stick and 12 Auto is the benchmark. I'll pay up on my $20 bet too, if that list deal can be arranged.

Probably asking a lot - but if you don't ask - you never know what could have been.

Thank you tremendously for making that post Henley.

[GOAT WHORE]

This thread is getting very, very, interesting!

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Tellyshavilli

Theres also a Silver raiv auto rag

Thanks Telly.
I'll hunt for pics/info on it - unless you can save the trouble. (hint)
So that makes 6 Sticks and 5 Autos, so far.

Then this one makes 6 Autos.
Dan M. White/Black/Black Automatic (color has been changed)

Amazing how much CRS and Early Alzh is amongst us (not you - us) lol
There was just a thread about Dan getting the car earlier this year.
About same time you hauled the Pepper car. Both cars in same thread.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Uncle Judge

... The estimated number of 70 RAIV Judge converts is (12) 4 speeds and (6) automatics. I will have to look at my list for exact numbers that I have found to date but I feel that they built more than the 6 converts. I was tracking these cars pretty closely for a long time.

Henley, is it possible you were working from Uncle J's list.
Or is there potentially another list from another source ?

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...98#post4795198

Either way - its all good.
We just need to pool as much data as can be obtained and verify as much as possible.
May never get a full set-in-stone figure, but we need a tighter grip than what is cuurently being instituted up to this point.
And keep the tighter grip in check.

[flyingn]

I know Rick.. The owner who did the resto on this car. it came out *PERFECT*

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Link and pictures to the other Red 4speed
Is Sandalwood Interior - White Top

Was a former Ames car

http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/...feature13.html

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

I can't get my mind to bring all of them back up front right now that i know of -

for starters

1 Pepper Green - 4spd - topic car

1 Dk Green - 4spd - was being restored and had every piece of sheetmetal taken apart at the spot welds last time it was pictured on here.

....

I owe an apology to whomever owned/owns/restored the Green-Green-White 4spd IV JVert.

In some searches, i found the old post and pictures where i told the owner that "whoever told them it was a car - was lying" . (in jest of course)

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ht=lied&page=1

That car was the Red-Sandle-White 4spd , and the poster was Mahoney - who at that time was using the screen name RAIVME. I got confused in it all.

My Sincere Apology
The Green/Green/White car was not done that way.

Still hoping for more / better pics of the Grn Grn Wht one.

[muscle_collector]

shame on you. but ill forgive you since you fessed up.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thank you Gary, i'm humbled by the gesture.
even tho u aint never had no IV JVert !

or have you ?? lol

PY Memeber Phil S of Texas had the OO and Grn-Grn-Wht both restored by Rics Restorations. Guess he sold the OO, idunno who owns the Shiny Green one now.
Maybe he still does.