[70ram4]

Maybe we can now answer the question for sure. do the 70 455 ho ram air cars come with the ram air exhaust manifolds? I imagine this car will still have the originals on there. does anyone here know this car well enough to answer, or seen it in person.

[Steve Hoog]

I wondered that myself, and you can almost see one behind the fuel pump shot.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

The 70 455 Ram Air GTO's did not get the big manifolds, BUT I am hoping the 70 455 Judges DID get them. Will know soon - hopefully. I have a notion that may be what goes hand-in-hand with the YC engine - Judge Only (maybe). Stay tuned.

STEVE: what does the plant code on the Judge carb look like to you ? It doesn't look like WA to me.

[CDN2PLS2]

Gary told me it didn't have RA manifolds.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by CDN2PLS2

Gary told me it didn't have RA manifolds.

SHUCKS .
Well, still have the notion about YC being 455 Judge only.
Anyone care to give opinion on what the carb plant code is on the Judge? I can't really make it out on the buildsheet.

[bruno17]

I was blessed with the opportunity to buy this car a few months ago.
Gary is one of the most knowledgeable and honourable people I've met in this hobby.Its guys like him that make this hobby most enjoyable.The description and account of this judge is bang on! The pix do not do this car any justice at all. It is truly breathtaking to see a red car that has not oxidized. I was lucky enough to get a close look at america's best gto collection and will cherish the pics and memories forever.
I had to make a painful decision on which car to actually purchase but the 4 speed won out in the end.
The lucky buyer that wins the judge will enjoy the best "preserved" muscle car icon I've ever seen.

Bruno in aurora

69 ra iv 4speed 4.33 psmcdr challenger to the throne

[Held for Ransom]

Battery cable pick codes told me no RA exhaust but the battery is a top post. I, too, would like to know the carb. number, as the pick code looks like BA (might be the 7040278???).

Question, how did Fred (or whomever) find out how many 455 Judge cars were made, if invoice documents doesn't show anything? Back on that seperate set of documents thing that has the answers...

[Steve Hoog]

RA KA BA? I bet Gary will tell you, if some one ask. The last thing I would think is WA; I don't know carb codes very well, so what are you thinking Baron?

Ransom

Good point, how did Fred or JM know? Just a guess? Everyone time I ask JM pointed questions, I get "well some day I'd like to have a database, but there just is no way to know". But yet all these claims of 1 of 17 and 1 of 3 exist, so what's up with that?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

EXACTLY Ransom and Steve, how do they determine these particulars that aren't evident on PHS invoices ?? Hmmm... like the SD Trans Ams that don't list a tranny, same with 70 Ram IV Trans Ams, same with many other things they somehow manage to compute on the Cars that REALLY matter most. There is more to be told ...

It can't just be a summary of engine code production because that wouldn't break down to bodystyle like Convertible/Hardtop.

ANYWAY, what I'm getting at on the YC engine code and "?A" (looks kinda like BA to me on my screen too) carb code is a possible identifier to 70 455 HO Judge Only for us. I have only seen one other 70 YC 455 HO 4bolt block and it was sold as a bare block. Wish I would have bought it now and ran the PHS - VIN. Have seen numerous YA and XF 4 bolt 455's.

As for the carb code, we may find that one of those mystery 455 Ram Air carb numbers that were supposedly never used - were actually used 17 times only on 70 455 Judges. Keep in mind this is not a California Car so it's not because of a California emissions carb.

Ultimately, I'm hoping the YC block and "non-WA 0270" carb is something that may help discover more 70 455 HO Judges out there that may still exist.

[mrgoats]

All late builds might have YC

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by bruno17

I was blessed with the opportunity to buy this car a few months ago.

Man Alive !! If you coulda' - you shoulda' - bought this 455 HO Judge !
What was it that you bought instead ? Just out of
curiousity if you don't mind sharing.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by mrgoats

All late builds might have YC

mrgoats: you have had several of these 70 455 cars. Have you seen another with YC code, or have papers to one ?

[mrgoats]

Todd
this was just a 455 HO conv not a judge the build sheet wont load I emailed it to you

[mrgoats]

this is a 1970 455ho convertible

[Held for Ransom]

I should add, the YC 455 replaced the YA 455 in Late Nov., early Dec. '69 (that convert. named in the buildsheet is a 12B car). I have not, to date, figured out what was updated to bring on the change.

[70ram4]

I sold a 1970 Gto 455 ho ram air auto numbers matching conv recently and I am pretty sure it was a yc code motor. I will have to double check the build date.

[mrgoats]

It was a YA

[70ram4]

Sorry, you are correct.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Guess the YC block isn't helping us any on this. Mine was shipped 1-6-70 with YA block.

Only thing left might be the Carburetor has some significance - but we know how easy and often those can be replaced - so that's even a slim shot at being able to make any determination in the field if you have to rely on the correct carb being intact.

mrgoats: the newly posted YC buildsheet you show is a California Built and Cali dealer sold Car. It lists the evap system too, so I feel sure it would have had a Cali emmission carb - can you read it well enough to see what the carburetor pick code is on it ? I realize this isn't a Ram Air equipped 455 either - like a Judge would be.

There have been mentions made of these YC being 71 455 with #99 low comp heads, I don't think that is the way - surely they still retained #64 heads. Caves Car will tell that since it's a YC and maybe one or two other things.

You guys are really pulling in some good information and accounts.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by 70ram4

I sold a 1970 Gto 455 ho ram air auto numbers matching conv recently and I am pretty sure it was a yc code motor. I will have to double check the build date.

What were the colors on the one you sold ?