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#1
11-21-2006, 07:18 PM
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fresh meat
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#2
11-21-2006, 08:24 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, how can one even bid on this car with no proof until after winning the auction? And, how does one clone this car?
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#3
11-21-2006, 08:36 PM
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This seller is perhaps a bit optimistic in his belief that this is the only black 70 Judge.
His answer to a question gave me a chuckle. He was asked for a copy of the PHS, His answer was: "WILL NOT RELEASE VIN OR PHS EXCEPT TO WINNING BIDDER THIS CAR WILL NOT BE CLONED." I am amused by owners who fear their car will be "cloned" or faked if the VIN is discovered by some kind of "thief in the night." The reality is that anyone would be a fool to try to copy a car that is known to exist. Someone looking to fake a car would look for a VIN that was known to have been scrapped, or buy the plates from a scrapped car. This is even more true for the Pontiacs because of the availability of the factory invoice. We are truly fortunate to have this resource, but it does have the unfortunate side effect of giving value to certain VIN tags. We have all heard the stories about 318 Challengers and Cudas being cloned or faked into hemi cars. The perpetrator has a VIN tag altered or remade to designate a Hemi. With no factory records to refer to, this can be hard to prove. In fact, the best protection against a car being faked or cloned is to have the VIN published in a registry or advertised on ebay to show the world that this car exists. I expect this sellers "VIN paranoia" will likely hold down the bidding on his car, and if it does meet reserve, the sale price will be less than if he was willing to relase the VIN and invoice. So in this case, the sellers paranoia may work to the advantage of the high bidder. |
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#4
11-21-2006, 08:36 PM
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I agree HFR, after reading so many horror stories about misrepresented vehicles, who in their right mind would bid or seek to put forth a winning bid? Also, what's up with one of one ? Is seller referring to the black on black ? Probably but Doubt that can be proven. The seller seems naive but with 11 bids already, maybe I'm naive ! There is not even any mention of #s matching drive train. If I'm a cash buyer, I'm saying no thanks to this one, hardly any info and far, far too much left to imagination
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#5
11-21-2006, 09:01 PM
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I asked him, if there was a price at which he would sell now. His answer.....
"YES THERE IS $785,000 NO LESS" |
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#6
11-21-2006, 09:07 PM
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Even a scan of the PHS with part of the vin covered would help in giving the bidders some peace of mind. A better engine bay shot would be nice too.
$75,000.00 + right now with 9+ days to go. This should be interesting! |
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#7
11-21-2006, 09:27 PM
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Is it me or is there no rear wheel molding on the driver side rear wheel?
IF REAL one heck of a nice car. It's not really hard to believe that people would bid on a car with no evidence since the buyer will go to the car and have it checked out and if it's a fraud they won't pay for it. If you have that kind of money you have the brains to check it out (I hope!) |
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#8
11-21-2006, 09:30 PM
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C'mon guys. This is clearly the only black Ram Air 4 '70 Judge that came without the driver's side rear wheelwell moulding.
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#9
11-21-2006, 09:56 PM
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umm ... uhh ... 785k ?
Had no idea I was that far out of the loop. I would have predicted 175-225k on the bidding. 785k - it must just be more of a publicity stunt. By members on this board, there have been no less than 1 auto and 1 4spd Blk/Blk 70 IV Judge. Agree that a scan of PHS with whatever blocked out would be more than just mildly appropriate. |
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#10
11-21-2006, 09:57 PM
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785 SEEMS FAIR!! I'LL SELL MINE!!!!!! LET ME KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW...I KNOW OF AT LEAST 7 RAM IV BLACK JUDGES..THIS MAKES EIGHT. |
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#11
11-21-2006, 10:18 PM
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There was a black 70 Judge Ram IV 4-spd in the Charlotte area in the 80s. The owner wrecked it in the mid-late 80s.
It was not a low mileage car and had been run somewhat hard. The car was involved in an accident and hit in the front end. I believe it was hit on the left side fender. I sold the owner a round port manifold for the side that took the hit. I saw the owner at a small swap meet in the early 90s. He was driving a 79 T/A WS6 4-spd and had not restored the Judge yet. I don't know what happened to it after I moved to Raleigh. Mike |
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#12
11-21-2006, 10:31 PM
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I just sold ( it was picked up 10 days ago) a black on black 1970 judge ram air iv , 4 speed 4:33 posi car with 24 options, it looked nothing like this one, that is one hell of a nice car
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#13
11-21-2006, 10:32 PM
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#14
11-21-2006, 10:33 PM
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I he gets $785,000 then my '70 455 RA 4spd Convertible (fully loaded) is going on ebay the next day! And because it's Christmas I'll even consider (for a one time offer only) selling my car for half price of his!
Hey ... more power to him! Let's get the predictions of how high it goes. It will not run to completion. I SAY $110,000 max. |
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#15
11-21-2006, 10:37 PM
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$150,000 all day long for that car, Phil right after you sell your car my judge conv is going for sale any takers?, 325K taking deposits now.
Last edited by 70ram4; 11-21-2006 at 11:14 PM. |
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#16
11-21-2006, 10:39 PM
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Q: THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY NICE CAR. I AM A SERIOUS BUYER WITH CASH AND 100% FEEDBACK--I COLLECT NICE CARS LIKE THIS ONE--ALL I ASK IS LIKE THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME--SHOW US SOMETHING TO VERIFY THE AUTHENTICITY OF THIS CAR--YOUR DESCRIPTION IS VERY LIMITED--I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM COMING TO LOOK AT THE CAR BUT IST I WANT TO KNOW IT'S THE REAL DEAL. J28046
Nov-21-06 A: IF YOU WIN THE AUCTION YOU CAN COME HERE LOOK OVER ALL PAPER WORK AND HAVE JIM MADDISON AT PHS REFAX OVER WHILE YOU WAIT AND THEN SEE FOR YOUR SELF.I WILL EVEN PAY THE $45 THEY CHARGE FOR YOU TO SEE THE PHS.I AM TOLD BUY SEVERAL PEOPLE NOT TO PUT OUT ALL THE PAPER WORK FOR PEOPLE TO CLONE VINS AND SHIP CARS OUT OF COUNTRY. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN. This is getting funny. I wonder if he wears tin foil around his head to keep out signals from aliens. |
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#17
11-21-2006, 10:40 PM
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i wonder if i could take out a 50 year loan?maybe my great-great grand children would have it paid off by then!and you guys think i want too much for my 69 raiv judge.he11,its a giveaway!
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#18
11-21-2006, 10:42 PM
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I hope he understands if the high bidder gets there and something is askew, or paperwork doesn't line up the bidder will walk, as they should
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#19
11-21-2006, 10:56 PM
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LawBreaker had the Automatic IV. Anyone else here have a Blk/Blk IV Judge ? I thought Gregs would sell at 135k. Heard he pulled it from market and going to keep it now ! Good ! |
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#20
11-21-2006, 11:02 PM
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