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#21
01-03-2007, 10:41 AM
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Considering I have a RAIII conv, I'd opt for the RAIV H/T...
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#22
01-03-2007, 10:53 AM
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market shmarket! If you brought in a martian and let him test drive both cars, he'd jump in the iv hardtop and never come back! I'd take the racin' model over the stylin' model anyday!
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#23
01-03-2007, 11:16 AM
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Yea...
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#24
01-03-2007, 12:02 PM
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hardtop for me....
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#25
01-03-2007, 12:04 PM
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#26
01-03-2007, 12:40 PM
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More RAIV hardtops were ordered because they were fast cars. Most street racers didn't even consider convertibles.
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#27
01-03-2007, 12:49 PM
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robz ... you know that's not true (that you'd rather have the RA4 hardtop than your RA3 Judge Convertible) because you could move one for another in a heartbeat. Why haven't you done so??
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#28
01-03-2007, 12:49 PM
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Barron wrote:
"Point in reference : Greg sold a restored 69 Carousel IV/4spd Judge after 2 or 3 attempts on eBang fairly recent for something around 135k." That car was gorgeous but if memory served it wasnt a judge (?) and it definitely was NOT matching numbers. Thats some good coin if you throw one or both of those factors into the equation. Add Judge and add matching and we are mid 200s. If i am wrong and only add matching numbers we are still at 200K. And gregs sale was BEFORE the King Kong black 400K RA IV Judge sale. im sure you have seen this...this is try number 3...all sub 200 bids for a restored ra 3 judge convertible... Item number: 220067253261 lets revisit this in 1 yrs time (actually 13 months after NEXT years winter auctions)...i will forecast that a pristine top color well documented matching numbers 4speed ra 4 judge will have at least a comprarable market value than a identically equipped ra III judge convertible. going forward from there the iv will out appreciate the convertible imo... |
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#29
01-03-2007, 01:04 PM
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right on....ramair2
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#30
01-03-2007, 01:16 PM
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gregsgtos2, there were 297 RA IV Judges in 69?
239 - 4 speed 58 - auto
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#31
01-03-2007, 01:26 PM
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I dated a martian once.
I've had a ragtop, and will never have another one. They are not for the racer, IV all the way. |
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#32
01-03-2007, 01:53 PM
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Yes the RA4 cars seem to be doing well now but even MINT judges weren't getting over $100,000 just a little over a year ago. So now we're in this great appreciation range ... but one of the biggest reasons is that the RA4 Judge Convertible exchanged hands for $425,000 almost 2 years ago and now is being sold by Legendary for some ungodly sum. What are they asking anyhow?
As the RA4 cars appreciate they will NOT leave the RA3 Ragtops in the dust but rather collectors will just push their prices even higher. In other words if RA4 cars get $400,000 then collectors will pay even more for RA3 ragtops because unless the WHOLE ENTIRE HISTORY of collector cars changes for Pontiac Judges then ragtops are more desireable ... period. Here's the simplest way to confirm this to end this whole moot argument. Let's find out how many RA3 Judge Convertible owners would trade in their car (even up) for a RA4 Judge hardtop. Equal condition/options/ etc etc. YOU WILL NOT FIND ONE TAKER. However, on the other hand, you would find owner after owner of RA4 Judge hardtops that would trade them even up for RA3 Judge Convertibles. That shuts and closes this case! 
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#33
01-03-2007, 02:50 PM
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Before I sold my judge IV car , I was hoping someone would trade me for a conv judge. The answer was ( NOT INTERESTED) from just about everyone I asked . I would take a 69 judge convertible all the way !
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#34
01-03-2007, 02:56 PM
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"Here's the simplest way to confirm this to end this whole moot argument. Let's find out how many RA3 Judge Convertible owners would trade in their car (even up) for a RA4 Judge hardtop. Equal condition/options/ etc etc. YOU WILL NOT FIND ONE TAKER. However, on the other hand, you would find owner after owner of RA4 Judge hardtops that would trade them even up for RA3 Judge Convertibles.
That shuts and closes this case." ========== Huh? This shuts (or more importantly proves) zero. I hope you arent a lawyer, lol! For starters (besides SWEETMUSCLE) I havent see any of these owners you mentioend chiming in either way...Also, the latest (big) uptick in RA IV Judge valuation is happening NOW so maybe if you asked the same question now or this spring you would get very different answer than you would have as recently as 6 months ago... Look, no one is saying a RA IV Judge HT will EVER out value a RA IV Judge convertible. That would be silly... However what some of us ARE suggesting is that the RA IV (by leaps and bounds) is a MUCH more desireable powerplant than the common and much milder RA III... So wrt to valuation of a RA III Judge convertible relative to a RA IV Judge hardtop... On one hand you *ADD IN* the value of "convertible"... BUT on thd other hand (this is the part you missing) you *DECREASE* the value because it has a *standard RA III* vs much higher performance *RA IV*. The argument boils down to (value wise if not now then in the very near future)... RA IV option > Convertible option PS you wrote: "Yes the RA4 cars seem to be doing well now but even MINT judges weren't getting over $100,000 just a little over a year ago." Not true. Infact at the Kruse auction in JANUARY of 2005 (two years ago) a *BROWN* cond 2 matching ra IV Judge 4speed sold for 100K. This auction was small and BEFORE BJ 2005. RA IV Judges have been 6 digits for at least two years now... PPS Looking at a bigger and more mature market than the GTO Judge market... Does a 383 (or 440 six pack) Cuda convertible bring more than an e-Body Hemi hardtop? No way Jose. IMO I think we are starting to see RA IV running away from everything else NOT RA IV... Last edited by ramair2; 01-03-2007 at 03:09 PM. |
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#35
01-03-2007, 03:49 PM
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70RA455, My conv is a regular GTO not a Judge..besides I was joking as I mentioned since I have a conv already, I'd opt for the RAIV H/T...
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#36
01-03-2007, 05:28 PM
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Since we are on this ragtop matter, let’s have a hypothetical auction.
There is a 69 Judge Rag here in Tulsa, and I’m curious what all of you would offer for it. Just hypothetical so bid freely; but some what realistic. Details: RAIII M40 Carousel Red Black Int and Top And check this out, column shift with bucket seats. Rough shape, needs complete gone through. Take a guess of 40% of the sheet metal needs replaced, and the correct block is gone. Car is complete, but not been run in several years. Currently painted a nasty blue with some of the orange peaking through, not for sale per say. But if the right amount was offered, the old farting geezer may sell it. What is the amount? PS. This is a real car and here in Tulsa. |
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#37
01-03-2007, 05:32 PM
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50K....no wait 60K....checking the well out back hold on.....45K...DW
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71 SILVER AUTO JUDGE 70 RED AUTO III JUDGE 70 GOLD AUTO III JUDGE 70 SPECIAL ORDER SABLE BLACK 4SPEED III JUDGE 70 ATOLE BLUE AUTO GTO 69 C.RED 4SPEED III JUDGE 67 WHITE 4SPEED 400 VERT FIREBIRD 65 MAIZE 4SPEED TRIPOWER VERT GTO 65 TURQ. 4SPEED TRIPOWER VERT GTO WANTING A IV...... 20 other non-pontiacs which need to be thinned down so I can buy more PONTIACS |
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#38
01-03-2007, 05:33 PM
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Do I hear 46?
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#39
01-03-2007, 05:46 PM
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Steve, you just do the bidding and get it bought for me, and I'll get you that carb and starter you want, and maybe a bottle of Jack...DW
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71 SILVER AUTO JUDGE 70 RED AUTO III JUDGE 70 GOLD AUTO III JUDGE 70 SPECIAL ORDER SABLE BLACK 4SPEED III JUDGE 70 ATOLE BLUE AUTO GTO 69 C.RED 4SPEED III JUDGE 67 WHITE 4SPEED 400 VERT FIREBIRD 65 MAIZE 4SPEED TRIPOWER VERT GTO 65 TURQ. 4SPEED TRIPOWER VERT GTO WANTING A IV...... 20 other non-pontiacs which need to be thinned down so I can buy more PONTIACS |
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#40
01-03-2007, 05:49 PM
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70ra455,
I own two RA3 Judge converts and I wouldn't trade either for a RA4 Judge hardtop. Steve, Would you consider this car to be a low end driver? Does it run? The automatic on the column hurts the value. But if it is all there I would offer $60K. If this is the car I think it is I suspect it will take a lot more than that before it finds a new home.
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