[Tom Vaught]

I bought a set of NEW 1968-1972 Round port Hooker
headers off the performance forum from WARIARGTO.
He originally stated that the headers were worth
700 dollars. When no one bid, he dropped the stated price until it was at $300.00 US. I talked
to Goatman and he said the $300.00 was still an
OK price because the headers were painted, not coated, which would have been the $700.00 price
in Summit. After a couple of e-mails to get the
addresses correct, and a postal screw-up on my
part, WARIARGTO received a $300.00 Postal money
order from me. I later received an e-mail saying
the headers went out and attached was a tracking
number. Today, I received the headers, The box
was split open on the bottom and some of the parts
are gone forever. I will try and piece together what I received and see if I have most of the parts. The headers are covered with rust, the
collectors look like they are at least 20 years old and have been sitting in a basement for that whole time. I really bought a bunch of crap.
I can't blame UPS or put in a claim as they will
not honor a claim for poor packaging, rusty parts,
(which they had nothing to do with), or pure
dishonesty. It looks now like I lost the adjustable pipes to change the header length.
Tom V.

[Tom Vaught]

I bought a set of NEW 1968-1972 Round port Hooker
headers off the performance forum from WARIARGTO.
He originally stated that the headers were worth
700 dollars. When no one bid, he dropped the stated price until it was at $300.00 US. I talked
to Goatman and he said the $300.00 was still an
OK price because the headers were painted, not coated, which would have been the $700.00 price
in Summit. After a couple of e-mails to get the
addresses correct, and a postal screw-up on my
part, WARIARGTO received a $300.00 Postal money
order from me. I later received an e-mail saying
the headers went out and attached was a tracking
number. Today, I received the headers, The box
was split open on the bottom and some of the parts
are gone forever. I will try and piece together what I received and see if I have most of the parts. The headers are covered with rust, the
collectors look like they are at least 20 years old and have been sitting in a basement for that whole time. I really bought a bunch of crap.
I can't blame UPS or put in a claim as they will
not honor a claim for poor packaging, rusty parts,
(which they had nothing to do with), or pure
dishonesty. It looks now like I lost the adjustable pipes to change the header length.
Tom V.

[Goatman]

Ammends needs to be made here. Now my name is on the line too.

I expressed interest in the headers and recieved some pics from Warriargto. The headers were installed on a motor and looked a little "used" to me. I told Tom of this, cautioned him to get pics as well, but did inform him that $300 for a NEW set of those headers painted was a pretty good deal, as my ceramic coated headers had a price tag of $650 and that was at a discount and they weren't adjustable length either.

What is the deal here, Warriargto?

[Tom Vaught]

Got no problems at all with you Bruce! I remember
our discussion and read his original post on the
forum several times. I got a brand new Aerostar,
just 70K on motor, some surface rust, leaky rear
pinion seal, etc. Brand new is Brand new, not a
set of worn rusty headers that have been bolted up for a while and never fired. Tom V.

[Goatman]

I know its not me Tom. Just want to clarify and try to help out two guys I have had contact with for a little while now. I know I will see both of you this year and it would be nice to smile at both occaisions. ;)

No need for anyone to get their name and/or reputation damaged over $300 and a couple of pipes.

[WARIARGTO]

OK, Here I am. A litle pissed in fact. I'm getting more than a little goddamn sick of every single time one of you jackasses has a problem with somebody, you post it on a public forum. Perhaps you should have sent me an e-mail first letting me know about the problem? So now, instead of working whatever your problem was out to your satisfaction, I am now rather inclined to tell you to shove it up your ass sideways(or is that just a little too extreme?) For your information, those headers were new, inso much as they have never been used(Hence the term "NEW"). The only motor they were ever bolted up to was a display motor on a engine stand with 2 bolts per side. There were two spots of flash rust surface discoloration, probably from sitting in a damp place for an extended period of time, but nothing a dry towel wipe and a quick touchup wouldn't fix in about a second. I don't know what the hell you are talking about with the collectors at all. Honestly, Mr. Vaught, I really never would have thought you would handle a complaint such as this the way you have, thought you would have had a little more consideration. By the way, I was considering starting a topic based on one of yours- "I dropped a big crap this morning, Can anyone guess the color?". So in closing, I would recommend that you contact UPS(DUH...) and file a claim. I actually did you the service of insuring the package for your full cost amount of $300. Any more issues, please do someone the favor of at least discussing the situation with them first before you decide to involve the whole world.

[bigunde]

Not completely knowing both sides i have to agree with what wariar is saying.Seems like
this board is great for letting people air out
their problems instead of emailing the person
FIRST.Again,not taking sides,just good words
coming from wariar.

[ May 18, 2002, 09:41 AM: Message edited by: bigunde ]

[Tom Vaught]

OK, Here I am. A litle pissed in fact. I'm getting more than a little goddamn sick of every single time one of you jackasses has a problem with somebody, you post it on a public forum.

My Comment:
I WAS A LITTLE PISSED FIRST, JACKASS, WHEN YOUR ***** ARRIVED AT MY DOOR WITH THE BOX SPLIT OPEN!
If you are in the business of selling parts you
should take some of your profits and buy a bunch
of shipping tape.

Perhaps you should have sent me an e-mail first letting me know about the problem? So now, instead of working whatever your problem was out to your satisfaction, I am now rather inclined to tell you to shove it up your ass sideways(or is that just a little too extreme?)

My Comment:
Apparently, I am not the first one on the board to
be dissatisfied with the quality of your products or service. Maybe they, too, were really disappointed with what they got? The extreme part was the box split open like a melon without any shipping tape on the bottom of the box. Even the UPS guy (He delivers a LOT of parts to me) said it was a PI$$ poor packaging job and the box was old and rotten from moisture. Your "Shove it up your A$$ sidewise" is typical of vendors who try and screw people and get caught at it.

For your information, those headers were new, inso much as they have never been used(Hence the term "NEW"). The only motor they were ever bolted up to was a display motor on a engine stand with 2 bolts per side. There were two spots of flash rust surface discoloration, probably from sitting in a damp place for an extended period of time,

My Comment:
Confirms what I said above about the crummy box
and rust all over collectors and headers. A quick
question. Do you think a rusted and pitted gun
would be sold in a gun store as brand new because
it wasn't ever fired. Not likely.

but nothing a dry towel wipe and a quick touchup wouldn't fix in about a second. I don't know what the hell you are talking about with the collectors at all.

My Comment:
If you would like I can post pictures on the forum
and let everyone see what a paper towel will or will not take off in the way of rust.

Honestly, Mr. Vaught, I really never would have thought you would handle a complaint such as this the way you have, thought you would have had a little more consideration.

My comment:
I probably would have handled it differently, if
the "First impression" of the box split open like
a melon and the parts missing, along with the lack
of tape had not ruined my day.

By the way, I was considering starting a topic based on one of yours- "I dropped a big crap this morning, Can anyone guess the color?".

My comments:
You are probably an expert in that subject as it
appears you have been buying and selling "Crap"
for some time. You dropped a LOAD on my doorstep.

So in closing, I would recommend that you contact UPS(DUH...) and file a claim.

My comment:
I talked to my UPS man (a friend) and he said that
UPS will not pay up on "stupidity" claims. You boxed the parts poorly, you are responsible. I agree.

I actually did you the service of insuring the package for your full cost amount of $300. Any more issues, please do someone the favor of at least discussing the situation with them first before you decide to involve the whole world.

My Comment:

Who are you trying to "*****" here? I ship parts
all over the country too. $300.00 worth of UPS
insurance cost you a meager amount. This is why we have Better Business Bureau's and The Business Bureau on the PY Board to identify people selling "Crap" and to warn other people of the seller.

I have a commercial bead blaster so I can, with
time, clean the rust off your headers. They are
not what I paid for in their current state. About
$150.00 would be what they would go for at most
swap meets as the people would recognize the extra effort required to use them. Tom V.

[Tom Vaught]

BIGUNDE,

Not completely knowing both sides i have to agree with what wariar is saying.Seems like
this board is great for letting people air out
their problems instead of emailing the person
FIRST.Again,not taking sides,just good words
coming from wariar.

My comment:
If there was no problem, I would still be posting
on the Board saying what a Great Job WARIAR did
for me on the headers. Fair is fair, You do a good
job you get praise, you do a lousy job you get criticism. You people have no problem posting on
the board about your dissatisfaction with Fords
compared to GM products. Why can't I post my
dissatisfaction? Tom V.
PS After you talked to the Ford Dealer, I bet you
never told another person you met about your experience with Ford, did you. Just settled it between you and Ford. Right!

[bigunde]

Was just stating my two cents worth.I dont know much about the ford deal you are talking about,
but im guessing others do.I own chebby trucks and
only pontiac cars.

66 Tempest Custom
67 Tempest Sprint
71 Trans Am
78 Trans Am

[WARIARGTO]

Whatever you say you frigging moron. You sure would've gotten a better response to this situation had you not used the open forum first as a venue for venting your dis-satisfaction. I am not a vendor. Just cleaning out some extra stuff out of my shop. The box was not old and mildewed, you lying sos, it was a box that was shipped UPS to the place where I work. I went down and asked them for a box, and that was a good one that was the right size. It actually was not packaged by me, rather I just put the pipes in loosely and handed the open box to the guy who I use up the street occasionally for shipping. I watched him pack it up with filler, put the box of extensions on the top of the pipes, add more filler and tape it, it looked fine to me. It is too bad that UPS dropped the package or whatever happened, but that is not my fault. And I really don't know where you get off posting about how bad they were rusted. You are COMPLETELY FOS. Insomuch as you have shown me what kind of ass you truly are by posting this crap, I will stand by my first post with the suggestion that you again, SIUYAS. Have a nice day Jackass.

[Goatman]

Just so everyone knows, I have been dealing with Tom Vaught for months now and he has neither been a liar or a cheat to me. These "dealings" include:

1. Sent him my own personal Procharger D3M head unit for a bracket "mockup". The head's value is around $2500. Got it back in the same condition I sent it to him in.

2. An intake and regulator that I paid over $2000 for. I sent him a check and recieved all the parts, the way he described them and they were in both excellent condition and not damaged.

I do not consider him to be dishonest in any way. If he was going to rip someone off for some semi serious money, it would have been me.

[ May 18, 2002, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: Goatman ]