[1969T/A]

Has anyone ever heard of this car?
Its supposed to be a documented 1969 lordstown convertible trans am
They say they have all the documentation on the car
http://www.copart.com/c2/homeSearch....lotId=12018759

Vin # 223679U1047

[einstein]

You have just GOT to be kidding... In five seconds, I saw at least a dozen things grossly wrong with that car even from the fuzzy cell-phone pictures they took.

[1969T/A]

Originally Posted by einstein

You have just GOT to be kidding... In five seconds, I saw at least a dozen things grossly wrong with that car even from the fuzzy cell-phone pictures they took.

Just because theres things wrong on a car doesn't mean its not orginal
I have seen many rare cars that had there options changed around by owners
From what they say they have proof its a 1969 Lordstown Trans Am

[einstein]

Here's some stuff John V. posted a month or so ago:

TA production at both Van Nuys and Norwood may not have begun until May despite PMDs February announcement that stated TA production was to kick off at both Plants around April 1 (Firebird production had been moved out of Lordstown in March and into Norwood but Norwood did not begin 'bird production at all until about mid April).

Contrast that with a Lordstown VIN of 104xxx, probably a very early car built in 1968, long before the Trans Am came to production. I'm not posting this to argue with you, but your assertion is so silly, somebody had to refute it.

[1969T/A]

Originally Posted by einstein

Here's some stuff John V. posted a month or so ago:

Contrast that with a Lordstown VIN of 104xxx, probably a very early car built in 1968, long before the Trans Am came to production. I'm not posting this to argue with you, but your assertion is so silly, somebody had to refute it.

If they have proof then your assertion is silly. (Not to argue with you)
I talked to John V not more then a month ago and he told he located other early Lordstown Cars with D80 / B80 codes. So to say theres not a chance of it is silly on your part. It would be of interest to him or anyone else to check up on the car.
Thats why the info was posted.

[70ra455]

wouldn't this be simple to get a PHS?

[70ra455]

But what about all those other awesome cars! I lived right near there until 3 years ago when I moved to Michigan and was not aware of ANY facility with all of those cars in them! Wonder if it's one collection?

[1969T/A]

Originally Posted by 70ra455

But what about all those other awesome cars! I lived right near there until 3 years ago when I moved to Michigan and was not aware of ANY facility with all of those cars in them! Wonder if it's one collection?

They told me the 1969 trans am convertible is out of a private collection
and he has 200+ cars that he has been collecting for 30+ years.

[70ra455]

Gosh ... did u see the other cars??? Amazing "looking" COPO Camaro and '71 Cuda Convertible. Wonder if they were real and were those prices final??? OMG ... it would have the been the steals of the 21st Century. Are there any reserves in those auctions?

[Ram4king]

I looked at that car a few months ago and its definetly a fake. the owner himself told me this. It has a glass hood on it also. He does a real van nuys hardtop hes selling for 140k if anyone is interested. Hes only been collecting for a few years now. The cars have only been there for a year. The copo and cuda were not real also.

[70ra455]

But were those prices final and without reserve? If so the fake '71 Cuda is still a great deal ... it looks awesome and would take much more to make it like that ... and the Camaro looks great too ... especially if that's actually a 427 in there ... for $9300!

[John V.]

1969T/A, to set the record straight, the B80/D80/AEE coding has been found on EXTREMELY late built Lordstown cars. The last '69 Lordstown 'birds were produced mid to late March, only some Data Plates from the final 2 weeks of production (03B & 03C) have been found with an accessory code.

There is no evidence that any Trans Am was produced at Lordstown but I cpntinue to turn over all rocks.

If the partial VIN is really U1047** then it is either a 10A car, produced in Oct. '68 or possibly even Sept (perhaps 9D or 9E).

I'm not familiar with the Coparts auction, I have sent an email asking for more info about the car.

I think it cannot possibly be a Trans Am. But I'm giving them the chance to provide the evidence to prove otherwise.

I will say that there appears to be a fairly sizable collection of interesting cars assembled in the warehouse in NJ where the 'bird was pictured. Prices look high to me, but I suspect Coparts knows what they are doing. Coparts main biz across the country seems to be the sale of salvage vehicles.

[1969T/A]

Originally Posted by John V.

I think it cannot possibly be a Trans Am. But I'm giving them the chance to provide the evidence to prove otherwise.

They said its real and not a fake.
So, I thought you would be interested in it so thats why I posted it.

[einstein]

Originally Posted by 1969T/A

If they have proof then your assertion is silly. (Not to argue with you)

Then here's another assertion: The entire list of TA convertibles (by VIN) has been known among collectors for a number of years. All were built at Norwood.

Somebody saying they have proof means little until it's revealed, especially when so much other well-regarded evidence exists to the contrary.

[1969T/A]

Originally Posted by einstein

Then here's another assertion: The entire list of TA convertibles (by VIN) has been known among collectors for a number of years. All were built at Norwood.
Somebody saying they have proof means little until it's revealed, especially when so much other well-regarded evidence exists to the contrary.

Then here's another assertion: (Not to argue with you)
If it wasn't for me you 1969 T/A collectors wouldnt have even known there were cars from Lordstown with D80/B80/AEE Because John V & Kurt S
started doing research on these cars after they got some of the info from me.
And to say you have all the info on these cars is silly on your part.
Wasnt it in late 1980 & early 1990s they were saying there was
only two 1969 trans am convertibles.

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by 1969T/A

Then here's another assertion: (Not to argue with you)
If it wasn't for me you 1969 T/A collectors wouldnt have even known there were cars from Lordstown with D80/B80/AEE Because John V & Kurt S
started doing research on these cars after they got some of the info from me.
And to say you have all the info on these cars is silly on your part.
Wasnt it in late 1980 & early 1990s they were saying there was
only two 1969 trans am convertibles.

never heard that. i first became interested in the t/a converts back in the mid 70's and always heard there were 8.

[Jocko Johnson]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

never heard that. i first became interested in the t/a converts back in the mid 70's and always heard there were 8.

Your right ,Hot rod published this info in the 70's . This guys threads just keep getting dumber and dumber but he wants everybody to be proud of him for his d-80 bs.

[1969T/A]

It does not bother me you can have you own opinion.
Its like alot of 1969 trans am convertible experts told me
Your going to have people argue with everything
that can be find out about the 1969 trans am convertibles
"So stick to your guns and dont stop looking for info"

[70ra455]

Rather than argue with one another ... which is only deteriorating ... why not get the documentation and other evidence that they have and post it here. That would be the end of the story. They're in NJ not Guam so it should be easy to call them and get a copy of the info. In fact many on this board live in NJ so they could go to them and pick the information up from whomever has it. But I GUARANTEE you this ... if it was real and those who owned it had documentation of it (thereby revealing that they're not ignorant of the specialty and value of the car) then IT DID NOT SELL FOR THE PRICE THAT IT WAS BIDDED FOR ONLINE. That you can take to the bank.

[einstein]

Yes! Get the VIN. Submit it to PHS and be done.