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Old 03-04-2014, 01:05 PM
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Default Chevy/GMC 2500 Suburban Discontinued for 2014

I just learned that GM discontinued the Chevy/GMC 2500 Suburban. There goes a great towing vehicle for larger TT's, etc.

I guess that makes my 2001 Chevy 2500 Suburban 8.1L, 4:10 ratio with 12K towing capacity a keeper and Classic, with 49K mileage. Stored under cover and not driven in the winter should make it last for my lifetime.

I guess if your want to tow a large TT and have a large family, you are screwed. It sure will cause a premium for someone with a clean, low mileage one.

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Keep the old Suburban for a long time. I think the 8.1L was discontinued a couple of years ago as well as all big blocks.

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All in the name of CAFE fuel economy standards.

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can the Tahoe XL fill the void or is a p/u the next best

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All in the name of CAFE fuel economy standards.
Yep. The v8 engine is next.

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Old 03-04-2014, 04:22 PM
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can the Tahoe XL fill the void or is a p/u the next best
Maximum towing capacity of a Tahoe is 8500 and the Suburban is 8100 lbs. Far short of the 12,000 lbs. of my 2001 2500 model.

Chart shows a Chevy Express 3500 passenger Van with a 10,000 rating.

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That's why I am keeping my "survivor" 1995 K2500 6.5 diesel Suburban. Owned it since new. 120,000 miles in 19 years. Original one-year-only, Atlantic Blue and silver paint. Great truck. 8600 GVW and towing capacity is around 12,000 lbs. I pull a 24 foot enclosed trailer.

If GM had put the Duramax in a Suburban they would have had THE hauling vehicle of all time. And if I recall correctly, diesels are not part of the CAFE standards.

Too bad.

Here's a photo on the back of a rollback two months ago after blowing a headgasket (common problem on the 6.5) Had two new head gaskets installed, replaced the head bolts and she runs better than ever. That was the only major issue in 19 years! (knock on wood) :-)
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Maximum towing capacity of a Tahoe is 8500 and the Suburban is 8100 lbs. Far short of the 12,000 lbs. of my 2001 2500 model.

Chart shows a Chevy Express 3500 passenger Van with a 10,000 rating.
why is the suburban lower in rating than the Tahoe? I would have thought the longer model could tow more.

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Maybe one of the vehicles is 4wd and the other 2wd usually the fewer options and lower axle ratio determine what the truck can tow...

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why is the suburban lower in rating than the Tahoe? I would have thought the longer model could tow more.
The lighter the vehicle, the more the towing capacity. Ex, a regular cab, 2wd truck with, say, a 5.3L and 3.73 gears will have more towing capacity than a 4 door, 4wd. truck with the same drive train.

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so i should hold on to my 79 3/4 ton 454 th400 3.73 75,000 mile surburban?

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I wonder how much of GMs decision to eliminate the model had to do with CAFE standards vs. economic considerations- development and production costs of a relatively low production model? I'm sure if it was a high production/high profit model they'd have found a way to keep it on.

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could also be retooling. they skipped the canyon for 2014 and brought it back n 2015. offering it with a smaller duramax engine too.
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so i should hold on to my 79 3/4 ton 454 th400 3.73 75,000 mile surburban?
if you can afford the fuel, my 1 ton p/u w/that motor was very thirsty

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That's why I am keeping my "survivor" 1995 K2500 6.5 diesel Suburban. Owned it since new. 120,000 miles in 19 years. Original one-year-only, Atlantic Blue and silver paint. Great truck. 8600 GVW and towing capacity is around 12,000 lbs. I pull a 24 foot enclosed trailer.

If GM had put the Duramax in a Suburban they would have had THE hauling vehicle of all time. And if I recall correctly, diesels are not part of the CAFE standards.

Too bad.

Here's a photo on the back of a rollback two months ago after blowing a headgasket (common problem on the 6.5) Had two new head gaskets installed, replaced the head bolts and she runs better than ever. That was the only major issue in 19 years! (knock on wood) :-)
Knock REAL hard, Steve. The weak link in the 6.2/6.5 engine is the crank. With high miles and load cycles, they tend to crack and break starting in the first rod journal into the #2 main journal. Seen it happen too many times.

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Knock REAL hard, Steve. The weak link in the 6.2/6.5 engine is the crank. With high miles and load cycles, they tend to crack and break starting in the first rod journal into the #2 main journal. Seen it happen too many times.
This is usually the result of a worn out balancer.

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if you can afford the fuel, my 1 ton p/u w/that motor was very thirsty
lol..i know..gas mileage with that baby is awful..like 10mpg...

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Knock REAL hard, Steve. The weak link in the 6.2/6.5 engine is the crank. With high miles and load cycles, they tend to crack and break starting in the first rod journal into the #2 main journal. Seen it happen too many times.
Happened to my 1995 3500HD with less than 50k miles and it was less than 2 years old at the time. Was not the fault of the balancer as less than 50k miles should still be break in time on a diesel engine. Was the worst power plant I have ever owned I sure dont miss it.

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While it's sad to see it go, really the Suburban hasn't been a vehicle worth buying for quite a few years now. If you need to haul people, there are many more options on the table now than there were 20-30 years ago and most of them do several things better than a Suburban. If you need to haul stuff, there are much better options out there (especially the Duramax with better fuel economy).

I loved my '83, the '89 454, and both of my '85 6.2s, but my love for the Suburban has pretty much faded with the last few redesigns and the dropping of the diesel engine option. The price of the vehicle has gotten quite high too considering what you get.

I'd say it's more of a reflection of changing consumer tastes than GM making a stupid decision - soccer moms need fuel economy as a 10-12MPG overly large vehicle is definitely not attractive anymore (and hasn't been since the minivan went super popular) and anyone who wants to move things around has better choices. That being said, I sure hope they would consider bringing it back with a Duramax option, would be quite the tow vehicle if so.

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Where did you find this info we just got in a 2015 suburban at the dealership.

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