[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Anyone know what dealership this was , in NC ?
Name and Location of dealership ?
Believe the dealer name may have started with B

Have checked WallaceRacing and UltimateGTO data bases already

[67Twistytee]

Any chance you transposed digits in the dealer code? Could it be a dealer zone or company car number?

Bob Hill Pontiac, Winston-Salem, NC is listed on ultimategto without a code.

[johnta1]

Bob Hill would be in alphabetically with the H's
(like around 250's)
Would also depend if they took over a dealer or had their own dealer number.

[67Twistytee]

Good point. Guess "Bob" wasn't his last name - LOL. Bleecker Buick in Red Springs, NC had a Pontiac franchise but I think they didn't go active until 1979.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Double checked and its for sure 16-043

[GTO JOHN]

Too bad the Dealer List on ultimategto has not been updated in over 5 YEARS!

[poncho-mike]

What was the name of the small Pontiac dealership in Star NC? It closed around 1974 or so.

[67Twistytee]

Harry Bloomberg who ran Biltmore Industries in Asheville is credited with starting the oldest serving GM dealership in the South. It started out as a gas and service station in the mid 1920s and then became a Cadillac dealer in 1937 at 68 Hayward Street. They then added Pontiac to the franchise in 1942. In 1967 they moved the dealership to its present location overlooking Patton Avenue. It's now referred to as "Harry's on the Hill".

It might be worth calling them and asking if any of the management or owners has access to their historic records. They probably have a historic listing of state dealerships.

[400 4spd.]

Another long time GM dealership is located in Greenville, N.C. It's Brown-Wood Cadillac, where my GTO was sold new in 1967. They got the Pontiac franchise in '36 and Cadillac in '37. I know some of the employees, still several die-hard Pontiac guys working there.

I pulled the piece below from the Facebook page they have.



1937


About Us - Our History

In 1929 William Sherrod Brown moved his family from Wilson to Greenville in order to establish a Hudson/Essex dealership. The business was sold shortly thereafter due in part to the Depression. In 1932 Mr. Brown became a partner in Brown & White Chevrolet; however, the dealership was sold in 1935, and subsequently has become Phelps Chevrolet.

In March of 1936 William Sherrod Brown and his son William Watson Brown, with the financial assistance of Alfred Wood of Vanceboro, opened a Pontiac/Packard dealership. This operation was located at 635 Dickinson Avenue, on the corner of Dickinson Ave. and Reade Circle. The Packard franchise was soon discontinued, as it did not prove to be a quality automobile. Though Mr. Wood has been repaid, his name was retained in the business as an expression of gratitude, hence Brown & Wood.

The Cadillac franchise was added in 1937 and the operation was moved in 1949 to the corner of Dickinson Avenue and 14th Street. In 1982 Brown & Wood added the Isuzu franchise, a Japanese line of vehicles. In 1984 Brown & Wood moved to its present location at 329 Greenville Boulevard, a much larger and more accessible site. In 1991 the Jeep-Eagle franchise was purchased and the GMC Truck franchise was acquired in 1993 as the Isuzu franchise was sold.

The Buick and Mazda franchises were acquired in January 2001 with the purchase of Grant Buick-Mazda which was then our Brown & Wood Jeep Mazda location located at 603 SW Greenville Boulevard. The Jeep franchise was moved to this location while the Buicks were relocated to the 329 Greenville Boulevard store to properly align all of the GM franchises.

In 2009, the country was in a recession that would have a catastrophic impact on the automobile industry in the United States. Brown & Wood made the decision in January, 2009 to consolidate our sales and service operations into one location, the General Motors location at 329 SW Greenville Blvd.

In June of 2009, General Motors and Chrysler Motors declared bankruptcy. Both of these actions did have a huge negative economic impact on Brown & Wood, the automobile industry, and the country. Chrysler Motors through the power of the bankruptcy court, made the decision to terminate our Jeep franchise. An appeal of the action by Chrysler was attempted through arbitration, but was unsuccessful and we sold the remaining Jeep inventories thus ending our 19 year relationship with our Jeep customers.

The General Motors bankruptcy also resulted in an equally catastrophic event. General Motors emerged from bankruptcy a new company. GM notified Brown & Wood that they would continue as a Buick-GMC franchise. However, Brown & Wood was also notified that the Cadillac franchise would be “wound down” effective October 31, 2010, We appealed the decision by General Motors in arbitration and we were successful in having the decision overturned and Brown and Wood was allowed to continue as a Cadillac dealer.

General Motors also notified Brown & Wood that the Pontiac franchise would be “wound down” and terminated effective October 31, 2010. This action would effectively end a nearly 75 year old with our loyal Pontiac customers.

From 1940-1977 William Watson Brown was the principal owner and manager of the Brown & Wood organization. In 1977 he turned over the management to his sons, William Sherrod Brown and Robert Green Brown.

Following William Watson Brown’s death in 1987, Bob and Bill have become the principal owners as well as management. In 1987 their brother Thomas Benjamin Brown joined the organization. Mrs. Lois Green Brown, wife of William Watson Brown, has maintained an active part in the business from its founding until her death in 2010.

In 2005, Bob Brown retired from Brown & Wood, Inc. and his ownership interest was purchased by his brothers Bill and Tom Brown. They continue to operate the dealership with the Cadillac, Buick, GMC, and Mazda franchises at the newly renovated locations at 329 and 333 SW Greenville Bolouvand locations.

The Brown & Wood story represents three generations of one family that has made the company the success it is today. The success Brown & Wood has enjoyed is due to its continuous focus on its goal of meeting and exceeding the needs and expectations of its customers.

[eaglesan13]

The two closest dealer numbers I have in my PHS collection are:

#16011: Attaway-Easterlin Pontiac Inc., 40 Rutherford St, Greenville, SC, 29608
#16111: Coggin Pontiac, 4018 Durham Chapel Hill Pools, Durham, NC, 27707

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

This is how they run - by what is recovered so far :

16 023 Barnes Motors Inc, 218-30 Clay Street, Kingsport TN 37662

16 029 Bill Beck Pontiac Inc, Charlotte, NC

16 035 Bernard Pontiac, Morganton, NC

16 041 Blanchard Pontiac-Cadillac, Shelby, NC

16 050 Boyd Pontiac-Cadillac Hendersonville, NC

16 051 (dealer unknown) May be somewhere in Raleigh, NC area

16 071 Brown & Wood Inc, Greenville, NC

16 075 Brunson Automobile Sales Inc, PO Box 188, Hampton, SC 29924

16 079 Brushy Mountain Motors, Taylorsville, NC

16 083 Bryan Pontiac-Cadillac Co, 12 W Russell St, Fayetteville, NC 2830

16 085 Bush Oldsmobile-Pontiac, Lenoir, NC



I have 16-043
Bloomberg would fit in that gap between 041 and 050

Mike, i don't know the dealer in Star.

By comparing other 1965 Pontiac Plant (PMD) to NC shipping amounts on other 1965 invoice amounts .... it looks like this dealer will be either in the western-most / eastern-most / or southern-most extremities of the state.


Thanks for the insights so far - and i will try to contact Bloomberg after first of the month.

Have never found a GTO car or document from Greensboro Pontiac dealer other than a plain jane 72 GTO.

[johnta1]

Bernard Pontiac-Cadillac also had dealer number 039.

Boyd Pontiac-Cad-Buick is also dealer number 051.

Brushy Mountain Motors is also dealer number 061.

Brown Pontiac-Buick (not sure if same as Brown & Wood) is dealer number 067.

It would be great if Bloomberg would have any info on the dealers.

[2002Z4CSS]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

This is how they run - by what is recovered so far :

16 023 Barnes Motors Inc, 218-30 Clay Street, Kingsport TN 37662

16 029 Bill Beck Pontiac Inc, Charlotte, NC

16 035 Bernard Pontiac, Morganton, NC

16 041 Blanchard Pontiac-Cadillac, Shelby, NC

16 050 Boyd Pontiac-Cadillac Hendersonville, NC

16 051 (dealer unknown) May be somewhere in Raleigh, NC area

16 071 Brown & Wood Inc, Greenville, NC

16 075 Brunson Automobile Sales Inc, PO Box 188, Hampton, SC 29924

16 079 Brushy Mountain Motors, Taylorsville, NC

16 083 Bryan Pontiac-Cadillac Co, 12 W Russell St, Fayetteville, NC 2830

16 085 Bush Oldsmobile-Pontiac, Lenoir, NC



I have 16-043
Bloomberg would fit in that gap between 041 and 050

Mike, i don't know the dealer in Star.

By comparing other 1965 Pontiac Plant (PMD) to NC shipping amounts on other 1965 invoice amounts .... it looks like this dealer will be either in the western-most / eastern-most / or southern-most extremities of the state.


Thanks for the insights so far - and i will try to contact Bloomberg after first of the month.

Have never found a GTO car or document from Greensboro Pontiac dealer other than a plain jane 72 GTO.

My GT-37 must have been originally sold or ordered through Bill Beck Pontiac in Charlotte since it is listed on the build sheet. My PHS shows Sonny Hancock Pontiac in Gastonia, NC. I believe Sonny Hancock now selld foreign junk.

[JLHarper]

BOYD listing is half wrong.....I've tried to get that corrected for 10-12 + years....(sent emails to Sean M).

BOYD family is from Henderson, and also had a Pontiac dealership....6-7 hours apart on opposite ends of the State.

BLEEKER PONTIAC (?) out of Fayetteville ....few others come to mind, but would have to check some of this old dealer stuff I have stashed away.

[johnta1]

The dealer number 050 Boyd Pontiac is in Henderson?

The dealer number 051 Boyd Pontiac is no relation to the other Boyd dealer?
(051 dealer is from Hendersonville)

I'd be interested in any dealer info you have.

[Burgess]

Originally Posted by poncho-mike

What was the name of the small Pontiac dealership in Star NC? It closed around 1974 or so.

Clegg Kearns Pontiac.

My Father in law worked there in the 60's. I think I remember him saying that he got to test drive the first 64 GTO that they got in.

[Bet Winner]

Originally Posted by 67Twistytee

Bob Hill Pontiac, Winston-Salem, NC is listed on ultimategto without a code.

Is that Bob Neil Pontiac? I believe he might have owned both the High Point and W-S Pontiac dealerships at one time.

[John V.]

Originally Posted by JLHarper

BOYD listing is half wrong.....I've tried to get that corrected for 10-12 + years....(sent emails to Sean M).

BOYD family is from Henderson, and also had a Pontiac dealership....6-7 hours apart on opposite ends of the State.

BLEEKER PONTIAC (?) out of Fayetteville ....few others come to mind, but would have to check some of this old dealer stuff I have stashed away.

My guess is the Ultimate GTO listing is correct.

There was indeed a Boyd Pontiac-Cadillac dealership in Hendersonville, NC. It started as a Pontiac dealer in 1948 and added Cadillac and Buick by 1960. The following is taken from a history of Hendersonville:

"However, of the new automobile-oriented ventures, perhaps the most notable survivor is the Art Moderne Boyd Pontiac-Cadillac Company (HN 110) automobile showroom, located north of the business district on the Asheville Highway."

The Charles Boyd Pontiac in Henderson, NC I believe is unrelated and may not even have been established during the GTO era. From what I can tell, it was formed in 1980. Dealer codes were revised at some point I think in the late '70s and if this dealership didn't exist in the '60s or '70s, chances are it did not have a Dealer Code belonging on the list.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Bet Winner

Is that Bob Neil Pontiac? I believe he might have owned both the High Point and W-S Pontiac dealerships at one time.

My 67 GTO and 94 Trans Sport van both sold new at Neil in Winston Salem.
My 65 GTO sold new at Bob Neil in High Point.
Do believe both dealerships had same ownership.

[Nomadac]

I have a Charlotte Zone Dealer list for August 12,1986 and do not see any Dealer Code 16-043 so assume that dealer was either sold with a new dealer code or closed. I was headquarted in the Charlotte Zone from 1983-1987.