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07-19-2014, 10:50 PM
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69 WS
Today I went and picked up a 69WS engine complete carb to pan for my 69 Judge the engine date codes are block 9790071 H218
EUN 029304 WS Intake H198 Carb 7028273 XX Heads H158 and H218 The Vin is 29B162831 From what I understand the block heads and intake were cast in August of 1968 my car Was built 3A 1st week of March 1969 so I thought the engine would be built a little early for my car but when you look at the vin number on the engine it is 500 later then the vin on my car my vin is 242379B1623xx So is it possible for this engine to have been installed in a car in March |
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#2
07-20-2014, 12:08 AM
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7 months...Same as my Arlington '68 car and mine has the original engine.
Engine was cast in October '67 and car was built 3rd week of May '68.
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#3
07-20-2014, 06:48 AM
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Personally, I'd be happy finding all those RA III engine pieces in one place for a 4 speed Judge.
Nice score!
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#4
07-20-2014, 07:12 AM
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Nice score!
You could send the partial VIN to PHS and see what the car was originally. It would have the shipped date which would give you an idea of how close it would be to your car. 
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#5
07-20-2014, 07:15 AM
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Hi Darren,
Nice score! You should get the PHS run for the VIN on the block. That will give you dates as well. Steve |
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#6
07-20-2014, 07:30 AM
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Nice score but shouldn't it have a 7 digit EUN? Did you leave off one of the leading zero's?
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#7
07-20-2014, 08:41 AM
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Chris, that started in the '70 model year.
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#8
07-20-2014, 09:39 AM
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Thanks guys I've been looking for a correct type engine on and off for this car since I picked it up in 1988 so I was quite happy when this one came up. I am going to call George on Monday and run the vin and find out when the car was built so it is possible that this engine didn't make it into a car for 7 months that's quite a long time
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07-20-2014, 10:26 AM
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Cleaned up the dist today and it's numbers are 1111941. 8K11 so did they use I in the date codes in 69 or not what I'm wondering is the dist code nov 11 1968 or Oct 11 1968
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#10
07-20-2014, 11:34 AM
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No 'I' code on a stamped part.
So, you're distributor did not have 'I's' for the year thus Oct 11 1968 is date for it.
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#11
07-20-2014, 11:38 AM
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Not sure I have a break off point yet. I do notice that if it is a 1968 cast block it had 6 digit EUN, except for 1 Dec 1968 cast block. EUN Search
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! W.E.C moment "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates Last edited by johnta1; 07-20-2014 at 11:45 AM. |
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#12
07-20-2014, 12:27 PM
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Nice find! That's the same distributor and date that is on my 69 Judge. Some would try to say that is a RAIV distributor only, which is incorrect. Most "electrical type" components like distributors, voltage regulators, starters did not use the "I" in date stamps, while in 69 cast pieces such as water pumps, blocks, heads, intakes did use the "I" in casting dates. Steve |
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#13
07-20-2014, 01:14 PM
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Thanks for the info guys i have taken it apart and it is 30 over and the cylinders look good the heads have poly loks on the rocker arm studs crank has been drilled and weighted so i think its been balanced has an erson cam looks like it was rebuilt and not run much after thats what the previous owner said too so its off to the engine shop to get freshened up the best part was the price it was free I have been horse trading with this guy since the 80s and he has helped me out with parts for three restorations two of them being concourse gold judged cars So Im working on redoing this car for the second time and he knows Ive been looking for a correct engine so he call me up and says Ive got this engine in a judge project that Ive had for years and never done anything with so you might as well take the engine its more correct for your car So I ask how much and he says I dont know just come get it so I did
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#14
07-20-2014, 08:20 PM
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My Judge has the same distributor. I believe the 941 was used in many of the early RAIII 4-speed engines.
I have also heard of one other RAIII car with August date coded engine parts and a large spread to the build date of the car. The October 11th distributor probably means that the engine was not assembled until at least October--correct?
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07-21-2014, 12:56 AM
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#16
07-21-2014, 01:17 AM
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That is THE earliest 69 model WS i have ever heard of.
GTO School just never ever stops ! It is crazy strange that its VIN is so close to your 3A VIN ... In case it matters any , since it is Baltimore built - and only an engine involved - you could get the PHS for a lot cheaper than the GM of Canada Report . I am not sure if the 1969 GM of Canada Report would include the EUN If it does - it would be worth the difference for the additional cross-reference. You might have paid too much, but after all these years, its gotta be worth it. |
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#17
07-22-2014, 10:20 PM
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I have a 71 Judge built last week of august and motor was also. Is that correct?
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07-23-2014, 07:04 AM
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I have an 08D 71 Judge and it's a June (F) 1970 cast.
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Mike/Illinois |
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07-23-2014, 09:21 PM
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Man that's an early motor. When did they start the 71 production on motors and cars? O8D is the same on my car. Is yours lucy blue?
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07-24-2014, 06:54 AM
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My Judge is white with black spoiler black interior. WT7 look but only way to document is with a build sheet or forensic.( no cost option) Neither is likely so it exists as a early build late to dealer car. Said to be a brass hat car by JM based on PHS.
It does retain it's original drivetrain and components. So I can get dates off of items. Early stuff is the cross over.  Later stuff is the alternator. 
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