[96SS]

Surprised to not see any posts about Barrett Jackson Scottsdale 2018 auction prices for 70-73 Firebirds. I thought the results were promising for this generation of Firebirds. The 1972 Custom Firebird got very good money for a nice build, and not being a TA.

$156K 1972 Custom Firebird. A professional Pro-Touring build powered by an LSX 454ci GM Performance engine https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...M-COUPE-213090

$63K 1973 TA, fresh frame-off rotisserie retoration from Dave Hall owner of "Restore a Muscle Car" in Lincoln, NE and is a PHS documented, matching-numbers 455 Trans Am. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...ANS-AM--213676

$73K 71 TA , another car from Dave Hall owner of "Restore a Muscle Car" in Lincoln, NE , no mention of matching #'s. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...M-COUPE-213851

$145K 73 TA Super Duty, another car from Dave Hall owner of "Restore a Muscle Car" in Lincoln, NE, A PHS documented, matching-numbers.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...ER-DUTY-213675

$70K 70 TA, No mention of matching #'s. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...RANS-AM-215046

$170K 73 TA Super Duty, another car from Dave Hall owner of "Restore a Muscle Car" in Lincoln, NE, matching #'s.


I thought the prices were very good, maybe I am missing something.


Mike

[The Boss]

They were all mentioned in other threads - you did miss something.

[starlightblack]

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=812856

[96SS]

Thanks, I didn't realize it was covered in another thread.

Mike

[1965gp]

Well yes but not in much detail. I was there and there were quite a few nice 70-74 birds. I was actually surprised that Dave Halls cars didn’t go for more.

[Judge273]

That 72 FB cloned to TA as a pro touring is 73 SD money...times are changing...

[4birds]

Originally Posted by Judge273

That 72 FB cloned to TA as a pro touring is 73 SD money...times are changing...

For that kind of money, the wise decision would be to buy a 73 SD. But cars like the pro touring Bird are for people with money to burn. When they get bored with it in 5 years, I'd bet their going to lose more than $100K when they sell it.

[Judge273]

That makes good sense.

[dreamn69]

I think in 5-10 years they will all be losing money. Generations change and desire and value go with them. If you are buying at that level, you better love it Anything else is a crapshoot.

[1965gp]

I’ve been building a pro-touring 72 bird (to look like a 73 TA) over the past 2 years and you can bet that car motivated e to finish mine!

Mine should end up as almost as nice except with a Pontiac motor and factory graphics. Aftermarket suspension, wheels, interior, etc.

I think times and style will change but an old muscle car that has a modern drivetrain, 6 speed and cold AC will be popular for a long time. Although I agree- I would buy the SD.

I think the steal of the show was the 70 (really 68,69,70) Charger that was the hero car for Fast and Furious 4 and 5. It sold for I think $88k. A poorly done General Lee Clone sold for $60k and a Fall Guy truck clone sold for $50k. This was driven by the stars and documented to be in two of the biggest car movies of the past 25 years- I thought it would go for more than $88k.

[72blackbird]

The custom 72 Bird has some serious money under/in it- I see why it sold for $156k. If I were to build a car to sell, sad to say I'd put LS power in it to pull the most money out of potential buyers. My personal rides, however, would sport Poncho power.

Geno

[Tazzz2]

Been playing the game at the high end of Pro-touring for a lot of years and can say that the cars I have built draw SD bread and better consistently. I believe there are buyers for both stock #'s type buyers and Pro-touring/resto-mod type buyers... The numbers guys seem to be more hard core collectors and the pro-touring group seem to be more affluent business guys that have zero interest in building one them self... This all said I believe the Pro-touring ride is going to be the cars you will see driven,, and in the end the ones that will sell and change hands more often. The issue here is (like all other cars) is when truly rare #'s cars get to a certain point they become something you can't drive if you want to maintain value (and God forbid they break or get hit)... These are changing times and the audience for these cars are getting up in their years... It will be very interesting to see where it all goes... Personally I'll keep building Pro-touring rides and using them as that is what I really enjoy.. It doesn't matter to me about the numbers as I'll start with a shell (plain bird, Formula or TA) and make it appear how I like. If I put it into a wall racing it, or take out a side,,, it a few Carbon panels away from being awesome again when built right for the most par all things equal... Given a real nice numbers car I can't do that,, and hence it does not hold allure to me normally... Who knows what the future holds,, a RA IV TA might twist my arm the right way one day as a novelty purchase....

[Judge273]

This also makes good sense.

[Formulajones]

Saying they'll loose money in 5-10 years is premature. I seriously doubt that will happen. When you look at the pre war cars that Barrett Jackson got their start with back in the early 1970's, they are still selling today 50 years later for big numbers, and most of those pre war geezers are gone.

So I don't really buy into the "muscle cars will loose value in 5 years" theory. I'll believe it when I see it, and likely won't in my life time.

I do like the pro touring idea to an extent. Upgrades are nice, I'm just not a "large" wheel fan. But I do like the other things being done. LS swaps don't bother me, I've done my own and it definitely attracts people and potential buyers. But I also find that these cars in stock form perform perfectly fine for us. Guess I'm sort of in the middle. Like Tazz, we drive our cars, everywhere all the time. We don't necessarily need a "pro-tour" job to make a fun daily driver.

[71HOT/A]

Wow, 73k for the 71 with non original fenders and no cowl w/strip. I wonder what else is not right. People with more money than knowledge, throw in a little alcohol and wind 'em up. Most of the BJ stuff will not bring these prices anywhere in the real world.

[Judge273]

The 71 TA is stated to be a number matching drivetrain restored LB on Blue 4 speed no AC car.

That doesn't sound that crazy to me? 85k might be a BJ crazy number...

[Formulajones]

Agree, Even the Russo Steel and Mecum Auctions are bringing big dollar for this stuff, so it's not necessarily BJ. $70k for any "decently" restored, real and rare muscle car is just not a lot of money these days.

[71HOT/A]

I agree that 70k for a" decently restored" rare musclecar is not out of line. Obviously wrong parts and missing parts equals decent these days. Not for my 70k.