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Old 11-11-2025, 12:00 PM
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Default Front Control Arm Upgrade?

Trying to plan for a few upgrades over the winter for my 65 GTO dedicated drag car.

Car has stock front Control Arms, stock springs front and rear (unknown specs), Lakewood 90/10 front shocks & 70/30 rear shocks, Hotchkiss Double Adjustable Upper rear control arms and boxed lower control arms. Car has been very consistent in 60' times and traction has not been an issue off the line.

Considering upgrade my front control arms for more adjustability and weight reduction.

At rest the car has basically zero camber and slight negative toe. However, lifting the front end 2.75" which is full suspension travel my camber goes to -2.6 DS and -1.1 PS while Toe goes to 1.12 positive on both DS and PS.

Thoughts, suggestions, recommendations all welcome.
I have looked at UMI, Global West and TRZ sets.

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Old 11-11-2025, 01:23 PM
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I went with Globel West upper control arm on the 67 last year. Made the car very stable at speed but made slow turns a lot harder. Wheels are straight when they come off the ground now.
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Old 11-12-2025, 08:24 PM
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Thanks Mike S for the feedback. Guess its not the most popular topic to discuss, lol

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1965 GTO Black, Black Interior "Post" car - 389, M-20 numbers matching
1965 GTO Silver, Black Interior 100% dedicated drag car w/1968 400(461), 16x Heads, TH400, 3.90 9" Rear 1.656 60' 7.566 90.057 (1/8th)
1971 GTO Black (orig. Quezal Gold), Gold Interior - 400, TH400 numbers matching
1972 GTO Cardinal Red, Black Interior - 455, TH400 almost numbers matching
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Old 11-13-2025, 02:51 PM
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The Global arms usually add more positive caster and on my IA/Camaro with a manual box are really tough to turn pushing in the staging lanes! But tracks straight!

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Old 11-13-2025, 04:30 PM
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Thanks Skip Fix. Sounds like I may have to hit the gym this winter to get ready for next season. I am also using a manual box with a car and driver weight of 3,500 lbs.

It would be a big improvement to even get positive caster, currently I have -3.9 (DS) and -3.1 (PS).

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1965 GTO Black, Black Interior "Post" car - 389, M-20 numbers matching
1965 GTO Silver, Black Interior 100% dedicated drag car w/1968 400(461), 16x Heads, TH400, 3.90 9" Rear 1.656 60' 7.566 90.057 (1/8th)
1971 GTO Black (orig. Quezal Gold), Gold Interior - 400, TH400 numbers matching
1972 GTO Cardinal Red, Black Interior - 455, TH400 almost numbers matching
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Old 11-13-2025, 05:48 PM
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i have the trz arms on my 65....really nice to look at....but i cant tell you how handle....car still currently underpowered @ 2 hand power
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Old 11-13-2025, 05:55 PM
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Yea almost enough for me to put power steering back on it!

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2004 GTO Pulse Red stock motor computer tune [email protected]
1964 Impala SS 409/470ci 600 HP stroker project
1979 Camaro IAII Edelbrock head 500" 695 HP 10.33@132 3595lbs
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Old 11-13-2025, 10:44 PM
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performerrpm - I have been thinking about those TRZ control arms. Good reviews on Yellow Bullet and definitely a bit cheaper too which is always nice.

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1965 GTO Silver, Black Interior 100% dedicated drag car w/1968 400(461), 16x Heads, TH400, 3.90 9" Rear 1.656 60' 7.566 90.057 (1/8th)
1971 GTO Black (orig. Quezal Gold), Gold Interior - 400, TH400 numbers matching
1972 GTO Cardinal Red, Black Interior - 455, TH400 almost numbers matching
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Old 11-15-2025, 10:38 AM
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I have the TRZ on my car with a manual box.

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Old 11-25-2025, 05:05 PM
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performerrpm & gman005 - what spindles are you running on your TRZ Control Arms?

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1965 GTO Black, Black Interior "Post" car - 389, M-20 numbers matching
1965 GTO Silver, Black Interior 100% dedicated drag car w/1968 400(461), 16x Heads, TH400, 3.90 9" Rear 1.656 60' 7.566 90.057 (1/8th)
1971 GTO Black (orig. Quezal Gold), Gold Interior - 400, TH400 numbers matching
1972 GTO Cardinal Red, Black Interior - 455, TH400 almost numbers matching
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Old 11-25-2025, 05:15 PM
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I have TRZ upper/lowers on my 68 Bird. It's a drag car with a rack. I run Afco Double Adjustable front shocks which have a larger tube width and Landrum springs. The TRZ's are large enough to install them without modifications. You will need to align the front end afterwards and may need a bump steer kit installed. Take your car to a person familiar with bump steer modifications and good luck!

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Trying to plan for a few upgrades over the winter for my 65 GTO dedicated drag car.

Car has stock front Control Arms, stock springs front and rear (unknown specs), Lakewood 90/10 front shocks & 70/30 rear shocks, Hotchkiss Double Adjustable Upper rear control arms and boxed lower control arms. Car has been very consistent in 60' times and traction has not been an issue off the line.

Considering upgrade my front control arms for more adjustability and weight reduction.

At rest the car has basically zero camber and slight negative toe. However, lifting the front end 2.75" which is full suspension travel my camber goes to -2.6 DS and -1.1 PS while Toe goes to 1.12 positive on both DS and PS.

Thoughts, suggestions, recommendations all welcome.
I have looked at UMI, Global West and TRZ sets.

Thanks
DV
Check with Smith Racecraft in Dallas. They build a bunch of stuff that's bad to the bone.

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Old 12-06-2025, 05:13 PM
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I have the factory spindles on my car.

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Old 12-06-2025, 05:36 PM
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gman005 - Did you need to install a Bump Steer Kit also?

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1965 GTO Black, Black Interior "Post" car - 389, M-20 numbers matching
1965 GTO Silver, Black Interior 100% dedicated drag car w/1968 400(461), 16x Heads, TH400, 3.90 9" Rear 1.656 60' 7.566 90.057 (1/8th)
1971 GTO Black (orig. Quezal Gold), Gold Interior - 400, TH400 numbers matching
1972 GTO Cardinal Red, Black Interior - 455, TH400 almost numbers matching
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Old 12-06-2025, 08:27 PM
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I think Global West makes some new steering arms that bolt to the spindle that deal with bump steer.
https://www.globalwest.net/product/a...air-bumpsteer/

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2004 GTO Pulse Red stock motor computer tune [email protected]
1964 Impala SS 409/470ci 600 HP stroker project
1979 Camaro IAII Edelbrock head 500" 695 HP 10.33@132 3595lbs
1964 Corvette Coupe 327 4 speed
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