[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I have them for other years - but can't recall ever seeing one for 1964

It will have the stuff like HD Frame , Metallic Brakes , and hopefully Close Ratio M21 ,,,
depending on it's date of revision.

April 64 is "supposed to be" when M21 was going to become available.
Dick Bonske and I are on the hunt for any 64 M21 hard data.

Anyone have PHS on a 64 GTO with 76X8 code , or a Block stamped 76X8

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

This is a 1965 version

[johnta1]

'9' was the code for close ratio tranny?
(on the engine code)

[johnta1]

I guess '8' is correct also.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

John, that old chart is flawed .
Do you know it's origin ? PHS uses that glossary - did they assemble it ?

8 is the M21
9 is the special M20 for 3.90 (with correct speedo gear)
John V. schooled us on this years ago

I also think 702 is wrong.
PHS sheets are blank in box 70 for standard axle
70-1 for saf t track
70-3 for saf t track 3.90 cars
Leaving 70-2 to be special order ratio

Bad manners to cross-over year models , but here is my 65 M20 3.90
Code 703 axle type
Code 71P ratio
Code 779 trans type

Keith Seymour's Dad's 65 was ordered with M21 3.90
His is Code 778 trans type

On the 1965 Spec Eqpt sheet I posted - Close Ratio is 77-8

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I don't think PHS even has the Special Equipment page for 1964

Not too long ago a Black 64 GTO 1-owner on BaT had a Special Equipment option of HD Frame Rear Crossmember
They didn't provide a Spec Eqpt sheet with his PHS to decode it.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

They had a bulletin in 1964 that either stated , or was dated , April for release of M21 .
Dick B. ordered his 3.90 axle car in April and his dealer didn't have any criteria for M21 .
He got the special M20

[johnta1]

Do you know it's origin ? PHS uses that glossary - did they assemble it ?

yes, it is a PHS breakdown I think. It was with a bhc and docs for it.
(in pics don't know who's it is)


I don't have any other copy of the option sheets like for the special equipment other years have.


I also haven't seen a memo on the M-21. Haven't check all my other stuff, it's all in storage right now.

[johnta1]

Does anyone know what the code for tranny with 'FP' is for?
I found a broadcast sheet for Fremont GTO with that and no clue what it is for?
Think it has 3.90 gear.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I've never been complete full speed on all the 64 document stuff.
They weren't one of my high favorite cars.
Will see if I can help figure that out John.
Can you make out a billing date on it ?

Went internetting a while last night for various 64 manifests.
The glossary is definitely wrong about two M21 tranny's , for any year.
Found two 76-code engine / P-code 3.90 / 9-code M20 / cars built before April .

Found oddballs like TriPower 3spd Posi , and TriPower 4spd Non-Posi

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

I also think 702 is wrong.
PHS sheets are blank in box 70 for standard axle
70-1 for saf t track
70-3 for saf t track 3.90 cars
Leaving 70-2 to be special order ratio

And that was bad manners crossing over years.
64 did use code 70-2 on Non-Posi car manifests. Found numerous of them.

Even found one that was 70-8 or 70-9 (performance axle) that I need to find again.
E-code 3.36 ratio

They didn't use a 701 as singular code.
Either coded as 702 , or 703


In 1965
701 - saf t track
702 - Special Order Axle/Ratio
703 - Spec Order saf t track

Some 65 coding will cross over with 64 , some do not.

[johnta1]

Can you make out a billing date on it ?

No date on it, but by the VIN should be around mid June. (F034xxx)


Board is very out of funk today.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Board is very out of funk today.

X 100000

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Does anyone know what the code for tranny with 'FP' is for?
I found a broadcast sheet for Fremont GTO with that and no clue what it is for?
Think it has 3.90 gear.

If you can get a clear copy , try posting it.
It might not be Fremont

They spell it out , have date and block code and EUN.
Although this 78X M12 3spd is printed as 78XW

Code FP for M12 by this manifest.

Axle code K0 = 3.23 peg leg

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Going to post up any unique or oddball samples I find along the way here.

77J , 3x2 Auto Posi with 3.36 (code E) and Speedo Adapter - Fremont
Looks like some plants DID use { 1 } code for Posi aka 70-1 ,,,,,,, aka E1 axle code on this car.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

76X9 PMD car dated June 15 1964
779 M20
76 engine
701 Posi

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Looks like Fremont labeled about all manual cars as _ _ XW engines.
This one should be X9 or maybe even X8 , Fremont is wacked.

Dated April 10 1964
TriPower 4spd 3.90
Trans Code - looks like JP - going to keep an eye on that code
Axle Code P3 - 3.90 posi { back to 70-3 posi details - we are all over the place with 64 differential coding from plant to plant }

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Basic M20 car from Fremont
78XW engine

Note the different transmission code KP - versus the 3.90 car tranny code JP
Axle K0 - 3.23 peg leg

[johnta1]

This is the sheet, weird one.







Engine 'code' if that is what it is shows '85'?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by johnta1

This is the sheet, weird one.
Engine 'code' if that is what it is shows '85'?

Yep
85 engine is 4bbl manual
83 engine is 3x2 manual

84 is 3x2 Auto
Guessing 86 will be 4bbl Auto

2K axle ..... is different format than the Fremont manifest
Going to say 3.23 peg leg
Using the 70-2 glossary code versus manifest 0 code for peg leg.
Shet is going everywhere on them.

Very weird car - delete GTO emblems