[rexs73gto]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but I hope 1 of you guys can answer this for me. I want to know if I can put a T-5 in my 73GTO. I now have an M-22 in my 73 GTO & it's been in there for about 35 years. I want to be able to drive it again long distance but with the gears in it right now it makes it almost impossible. I have 3:73's in the rear & it get about 10-12 mpg. Plus on the hwy. I have to keep it down to about 55-60 mph or the MPG. goes down even more & it get hot quicker when I stop of course because it's been running hard, about 3200 rpm's for that speed. Hard on the engine to. I want to know if I can do a direct swap with the T-5 & M-22. I ask can I just pull out the M-22 & put in the T-5 with no other changes, or do I have to go to a HYD. throw out bearing & a different P/P. I know I'll have to modify my tunnel a little to have the shifter come up through the floor, but do I have to change a lot of the other items listed. ??? Any help you can give me will help. Also which trans do I look for ???

[Schurkey]

Install it with wing-nuts, so when it shatters you won't need tools to remove it. There isn't a T5 on the planet that will stand up to a real engine in a heavy car.

[rexs73gto]

OK which 5 speed trans can I use & not spend a ton to swap it out. In other words which trans can I use by just pulling my M-22 out & put right back in. Is there any such trans that can be swapped out from an M-22 to ???? without changing the clutch plate & the throw out bearing from mechanical to hyd. I'd like to be able to just swap 1 out & 1 in. ?????

[nas t eh]

I think the problem is the "not spend a ton" part of your request. There are some good options but they are in my opinion not cheap. What were you hoping to spend?

[Matt Meaney]

Originally Posted by rexs73gto

OK which 5 speed trans can I use & not spend a ton to swap it out. In other words which trans can I use by just pulling my M-22 out & put right back in. Is there any such trans that can be swapped out from an M-22 to ???? without changing the clutch plate & the throw out bearing from mechanical to hyd. I'd like to be able to just swap 1 out & 1 in. ?????

No.

[JLMounce]

Originally Posted by Schurkey

Install it with wing-nuts, so when it shatters you won't need tools to remove it. There isn't a T5 on the planet that will stand up to a real engine in a heavy car.

Quotes for truth.

I ran around for a long time in the mustang world and those things would live under 3300 lb mustangs with 250 ft lbs of torque. It'll shatter immediately in a gto packing around 500 ft lbs.

From my understanding the teemed tko bolts up easily. You can find tko 500's used a bit cheaper, but it's still going to be an expense.

In regards to the Richmond, I've looked at that option but at least at the time it was not an overdrive transmission as 5th gear was still 1:1. That may be different now but that case didn't really help you without having an overdrive.

[Goatracer1]

Any way you go you are going to spend a lot of money. If your clutch and trans are in good shape consider a GearVendors overdrive unit. You can leave everything as it is now and just add it on and you will NEVER break it.

[archerytony]

Originally Posted by Goatracer1

Any way you go you are going to spend a lot of money. If your clutch and trans are in good shape consider a GearVendors overdrive unit. You can leave everything as it is now and just add it on and you will NEVER break it.

I just check them out looks pretty cool about $2800 but you would have that or more in a 5 speed swap

[tom s]

Richmond 5 speed is the easiest.Tom

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by tom s

Richmond 5 speed is the easiest.Tom

1 to 1 5th Gear and a 2.75 rear axle ratio makes for a great road vehicle and you still have 4 gears for around town.

But the gear vendors deal would probably at the end of the day offer the most benefits with the least hard changes.

Tom V.

[lfdsteve]

Not saying one is a better option than the other but I just put a TKO in my 71 bird and it was pretty straight forward swap. I did go with a hydraulic setup but you don't have to. Didn't have much more than $2800 in it. A bit more w the clutch and such but you will want new parts like that anyway as long as you are in there. Certainly not cheap but what is anymore. Plus you can probably get a fair bit of coin for the M22. Lotta purists out there would love to have it.
Steve

[blykins]

A TKO is the easiest way to go and the most traveled, so there is a lot of support for it.

The T5 won't last behind a big block.

[HWYSTR455]

I bought a Keisler TKO600 (2nd or 3rd design) kit a few years ago, for the 'bird (2nd gen), and it was a straight forward swap. That is still a stalled project, and have never run it. I have a trimmed McLeod blow proof, and a McLeod Street Twin clutch, all fresh.

Oddly, even though that car is an OE manual car, I'm pretty sure I'm going to switch to a 4L80E. I'm just at the point where I don't have the patience for a manual car anymore, which sounds crazy, but it's true.

Once I get that setup out of the car, I will sell it, and always give board members great deals. If anyone is interested, I guess I can make an effort to pull it sooner than later.

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[tom s]

GTOs need the tunnel cut for TKOs.I have 2 of them and love them but in a GTO the Richmond is a better fit.They now make a OD version.Tom

[Matt Meaney]

Originally Posted by tom s

GTOs need the tunnel cut for TKOs.I have 2 of them and love them but in a GTO the Richmond is a better fit.They now make a OD version.Tom

will the shifter fit through the factory porch without modifications? or is there a specific shifter mount and/or shifter body that will accomplish this?

[David Jones]

Originally Posted by Matt Meaney

will the shifter fit through the factory porch without modifications? or is there a specific shifter mount and/or shifter body that will accomplish this?

You need an offset shifter to use the factory porch.

[tom s]

And they are 26 spline,dont need a hyd clutch.Not sure about drive shaft length.Tom

[archerytony]

Autogear makes a great bolt in m23 I am running it not OD though rated at 700hp

[gto65conv]

Before you settle on a trans, google tremec problems and sit back for a lot of pages. I have a bumper sticker that says Tremecs are junk. And they are.

[Matt Meaney]

Originally Posted by archerytony

Autogear makes a great bolt in m23 I am running it not OD though rated at 700hp

does your M-23 make the same gear "whine" that an M-22 does?