[NYGTO]

Oh I see, thank you John. I don't have a BHC as yet. I have to order from PHS.

Any idea if some cars stripes where brush painted?

[John V.]

No, sorry. I'm a '64 guy. Don't have to worry about pinstripes.

But I recall lots of threads about '65 pinstripes. Pontiac Plant used the Buegler tool, pic of the set-up has been posted in this forum.

Pretty sure other Plants did it differently and pix of original cars/stripes have been posted comparing the various appearance differences.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by John V.

Just to be clear, the '64 KC & Balt PHS docs do match the actual builds, only problem is, PHS does not know how to decode them. In the past, they tried to decode them same as they would a '64 Pontiac Plant Manifest record which resulted in nonsensical decodes for KC & Balt records and that decode didn't match the build. Not a fault of the manifest record, just an error by the guy decoding them.

Thanks John for the clarification. Helps me on that deal.

Explains why the Decodes (from The Pontiac Lady) match up perfectly and the PHS decodes did not.

Tom V.

[Option 382]

NYGTO, early Pontiac plant builds did use hand brush pinstripes. I thought your black 65 has this hand brush pinstripe. I think PON plant was the only plant to use this method and later that plant adapted to the other plant's methods.

[Keith Seymore]

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http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ight=pinstripe

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ight=pinstripe

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ight=pinstripe

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ight=pinstripe

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ight=pinstripe

[NYGTO]

Originally Posted by Option 382

NYGTO, early Pontiac plant builds did use hand brush pinstripes. I thought your black 65 has this hand brush pinstripe. I think PON plant was the only plant to use this method and later that plant adapted to the other plant's methods.

No not by brush for my car. The build is 3rd week of May if this helps.

[NYGTO]

The pictures I posted were linked by cell phone and look best on that medium. Unfortunately they are disproportionate and very terribly on a computer monitor.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ight=pinstripe

[60sstuff]

Originally Posted by John V.

Tom, the KC & Balt manifest sales coding difference only applies to '64. The PHS records for '65 are the Billing History Cards that Pontiac coded same for all Plants.

The "discrepancy" is the code for the Cordova Top color on the Data Plate. NYGTO, correct me if I am wrong, but the '65 BHC will show the COLOR coded for the Black Cordova Top as "2", as the '65 BHC was coded in "Pontiac-speak" regardless of the Plant where built.

Leads hobbyists to think there may have been a top color change during the build when in fact, the Data Plate "6" indicates Black Top, same as the BHC "2" does.

In '64, the KC and Balt manifest records from PHS are coded in "Chevy-speak" so the KC & Balt manifests shows the same "6" for Black Top as KC & Balt coded on their Data Plates for Black Top.

Just to be clear, the '64 KC & Balt PHS docs do match the actual builds, only problem is, PHS does not know how to decode them. In the past, they tried to decode them same as they would a '64 Pontiac Plant Manifest record which resulted in nonsensical decodes for KC & Balt records and that decode didn't match the build. Not a fault of the manifest record, just an error by the guy decoding them.

A 65 GTO built in Baltimore - Mayfair Maize with Black Cordova Top.

Data Plate shows Y6

BHC on this car shows "2" just as John spells out above. It's really a Y2 in "Pontiac Speak".

All Factory Original including top LH and RH plastic gutter molding.

[John62]

So if I look at my 65 Fremont built in first week May, and across from ACC I see 53523 all in a row no spaces and no letters what does this mean and how does it match my PHS?

[Geeto-Tiger]

Originally Posted by 60sstuff

A 65 GTO built in Baltimore - Mayfair Maize with Black Cordova Top.

Data Plate shows Y6

BHC on this car shows "2" just as John spells out above. It's really a Y2 in "Pontiac Speak".

All Factory Original including top LH and RH plastic gutter molding.

My 2 65 GTO's have stainless drip rail retainers for the vinyl top. When did they go to plastic? Also, is this retainer reproduced?

[Option 382]

Originally Posted by John62

So if I look at my 65 Fremont built in first week May, and across from ACC I see 53523 all in a row no spaces and no letters what does this mean and how does it match my PHS?

Your large number is the manifest sequence number spanning across the model year internal to the Femont plant.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by John62

So if I look at my 65 Fremont built in first week May, and across from ACC I see 53523 all in a row no spaces and no letters what does this mean and how does it match my PHS?

Originally Posted by Option 382

Your large number is the manifest sequence number spanning across the model year internal to the Fremont plant.

Agree - and you won't find it on the PHS.

It should appear on the original build sheet, if you have that.

K

[John62]

I do not have the build sheet but I see some talk of some data tags having some of the accessories stamped and some comments of some of the cars from Fremont not matching the PHS so I was just checking. thanks.

[60sstuff]

Originally Posted by Geeto-Tiger

My 2 65 GTO's have stainless drip rail retainers for the vinyl top. When did they go to plastic? Also, is this retainer reproduced?

A closer look at the "flexible retainer" on my 65 looks to be stainless.

It has a small lip that fits under the drip molding.

Thanks!

[Geeto-Tiger]

Originally Posted by 60sstuff

A closer look at the "flexible retainer" on my 65 looks to be stainless.

It has a small lip that fits under the drip molding.

Thanks!

Thanks for the picture. It looks like the drip rail aluminum trim actually holds the retainer in place. Good to know before I assemble mine. It also looks like the roof might be spot welded to the structure below it. I am in the process of deciding if I should replace my roof or use lead to fill in some rust holes. The roof panel should come off after I drill out the spot welds.