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se428bandit 01-11-2020 11:05 AM

Ouch, brand new GT 500 with a engine knock.
 
https://youtu.be/sG95h_I5xLA
How much are these cars?

salem1912 01-11-2020 11:23 AM

Ford will be all over that clip, hope that not a dealer posting it.

242177P 01-11-2020 11:53 AM

Hand built... with pride?

Chief of the 60's 01-11-2020 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by salem1912 (Post 6099337)
Ford will be all over that clip, hope that not a dealer posting it.

Much like GM does.

On the flipside, at least GM waits about 10,000 miles for their engine noises to start.

geeteeohguy 01-11-2020 04:11 PM

Video removed.

1965gp 01-11-2020 04:32 PM

That’s probably an $80k car?

I mean things happen and we don’t know the back story but looks bad

Stuart 01-11-2020 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965gp (Post 6099407)
we don’t know the back story

That's the crux of it...based on a 30 second video of a car making a noise, no one can tell what's actually happened. Maybe it is a rod knock, maybe not. Maybe it only has four miles on it, maybe not. Maybe someone abused the car, maybe not.

johnta1 01-11-2020 05:42 PM

With the commentary, it didn't sound like they were the owner(s)?
More like someone with a vendetta?


:confused:

1965gp 01-11-2020 05:50 PM

Man the things I saw people do to new cars when I worked at car dealerships was crazy.

mgarblik 01-11-2020 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965gp (Post 6099427)
Man the things I saw people do to new cars when I worked at car dealerships was crazy.

Your not kidding: Three little examples of how new cars were delivered to my Pontiac dealer. 1. Three carrier loads of Pontiac Sunbirds, all exactly the same, for the local power company DP&L. Dark green exteriors Paint so thin/so bad, primer showing. All the cars had to be repainted below the beltline in the body shop. 2. Grand Prix on top level of carrier. Driver gets in, pulls out of park and car flies off carrier and smashes into retaining wall. Heavy damage. Master cylinder was stolen in transit to dealer. 3. My favorite: Turbo Trans AM 301 delivered to dealer, driven off truck and presented to me for pre-delivery. It had 7 pistons installed at the factory! One piston and rod were missing entirely. Low oil pressure, smoke and a hell of a mis-fire. But built, installed and delivered that way? Tech put one piston, rod, and bearing in it, a couple gaskets and it was sold as a new car. That's the way it was done in the late 70's early 80's.

Chief of the 60's 01-11-2020 08:00 PM

A friend of mine was a Mopar dealer mechanic back in the Hemi muscle car days. The stories he has told me are priceless.

242177P 01-11-2020 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by geeteeohguy (Post 6099399)
Video removed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OemY2c2qEzk

1965gp 01-11-2020 09:31 PM

One of the worst I heard of ( but never saw) was at a friends dodge/Chrysler dealer in the 90’s. Make ready guys would put the water hose up the exhaust pipe of a neon, wait a second and then floor it so it would shoot one giant burst of water out.

unruhjonny 01-12-2020 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mgarblik (Post 6099444)
3. My favorite: Turbo Trans AM 301 delivered to dealer, driven off truck and presented to me for pre-delivery. It had 7 pistons installed at the factory! One piston and rod were missing entirely. Low oil pressure, smoke and a hell of a mis-fire. But built, installed and delivered that way? Tech put one piston, rod, and bearing in it, a couple gaskets and it was sold as a new car. That's the way it was done in the late 70's early 80's.

I'm not suggesting you're wrong, but how would that even be possible!?
Wow, that would be several checkpoints that it would have had to go through, and then they were driven out from assembly...
wow, just wow.

David Jones 01-12-2020 09:18 AM

From an ex Chevy service mgr. New S/S 396 Chevelle with what sounded like a rod knock. Decision made to go run the living hell out of it and then warranty the engine when it blew. Came back sounding great. Sold as new.

poncho-mike 01-12-2020 09:33 AM

In the early 70s, my dad bought a late 60s Chevrolet four door sedan to tow his small camper at a dealer's auction. It always had a rattle or thumping sound coming from one corner of the car. He got into a minor accident, and insurance paid to have the bumper and rear quarter panel fixed. He told the body shop to look for the source of the noise.

A few days later, he got a call to come see the car, the body shop found the source of the noise. While the car was being assembled, somebody put a glass Coke botle into the rear and then welded the quarter panel over it.

Simple Man 01-12-2020 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by poncho-mike (Post 6099579)
In the early 70s, my dad bought a late 60s Chevrolet four door sedan to tow his small camper at a dealer's auction. It always had a rattle or thumping sound coming from one corner of the car. He got into a minor accident, and insurance paid to have the bumper and rear quarter panel fixed. He told the body shop to look for the source of the noise.

A few days later, he got a call to come see the car, the body shop found the source of the noise. While the car was being assembled, somebody put a glass Coke botle into the rear and then welded the quarter panel over it.

Seen that before. Took the rear interior panel off a newly purchased 78 Mustang II for a rattle. Several Coke cans back there, sprayed with undercoating.

Boogy 01-12-2020 10:36 AM

Looks like the guy lost his job over this video


Chris Silverman
Thanks for stealing this video from my Facebook page, and helping it go viral. I lost my job of 21 years for this. Greatly appreciated.

THEDEVILSDEMON
1 day ago (edited)
That was probably the worst decision you made in your life taking a video like this and posting it to Facebook. Not smart man

Chris Silverman
22 hours ago
Yes, it probably was. And thanks to great humans like you, I got screwed.

THEDEVILSDEMON
22 hours ago (edited)
@Chris Silverman take the fault like a man. You make a mistake you own up to it. This one cost you your career. It's nobodies fault but your own. You posted a video you shouldn't have on social media. We both know there is a privacy setting on Facebook right? If it wasn't supposed to be seen by 902927644758696736252 people on Facebook you should have prevented that

Chris Silverman
19 hours ago
Oh I own up to it, but I never expected it to be stolen off my page by a guy that probably has never had a real job, and lives in mommy's basement. Scumbag.

THEDEVILSDEMON
19 hours ago
@Chris Silverman you're great at insults. Maybe you should try being a comedian next 😂

atom atom
16 hours ago
Chris. I was the guy from Detroit that showed up to look at the engine. You were leaving when I was looking at it. I really felt bad for you... I hope you were able to find another job at another dealership. Take care bud..

EclipseInID 2017
12 hours ago
Chris Silverman You have GOT to be kidding with those outrageous insults. Textbook projection here, YOU screwed up, NOT anyone else. Have you never used the internet in your life?? I mean, just dumb. Don't go around insulting others for your mistakes, it makes you look incredibly stupid and childish.

66sprint6 01-12-2020 11:03 AM

He put it out there for all to see, including insolent comments. Now he's paying for his indiscretion.

mgarblik 01-12-2020 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unruhjonny (Post 6099552)
I'm not suggesting you're wrong, but how would that even be possible!?
Wow, that would be several checkpoints that it would have had to go through, and then they were driven out from assembly...
wow, just wow.

This is probably not the place to elaborate. But if you want to PM me, I can provide more detail. I was a first year technician and did not do the actual repair, but I did do some of the diagnosis. Your right, just incredible. What I would have given for a cell phone camera in those days! The look on the technicians face when he pulled the head was priceless.

1965gp 01-12-2020 11:19 AM

Personally I’m getting tired of people losing their careers over one bad decision. Punishment doesn’t fit the crime.

This is coming from someone that almost got fired for singing along to a rap song. Hey- I grew up on Biggy and MasterP too!!!

66sprint6 01-12-2020 11:27 AM

Here's one...
 
This guy posted this car earlier for 99,000.00. Super rare '77 Chevelle SE. Now he wants you to lend him 20,000.00 so that he can fix it up. It's guaranteed, in his mind, because after it's fixed up, maybe he feels that it will be worth 200,000.00.

They should have a convention where all of these wackos get together and talk about their rare and highly valuable cars. We could have the guy with the '70 Firebird WT5, that guy with the prototype Firebird (or Camaro, I can't remember) and any other person that has decided on their own that they have some super rare and valuable "one of one" car.


https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars...eed/1482011985

77 Canamman 01-12-2020 12:16 PM

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes..

66sprint6 01-12-2020 12:18 PM

OOPS , posted in the wrong section...supposed to be in epic Craigslist ad section. Sorry about that.




Quote:

Originally Posted by 66sprint6 (Post 6099600)
This guy posted this car earlier for 99,000.00. Super rare '77 Chevelle SE. Now he wants you to lend him 20,000.00 so that he can fix it up. It's guaranteed, in his mind, because after it's fixed up, maybe he feels that it will be worth 200,000.00.

They should have a convention where all of these wackos get together and talk about their rare and highly valuable cars. We could have the guy with the '70 Firebird WT5, that guy with the prototype Firebird (or Camaro, I can't remember) and any other person that has decided on their own that they have some super rare and valuable "one of one" car.


https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars...eed/1482011985


goatless 01-12-2020 12:38 PM

Not sure what the big deal is. There are occasional issues with almost all new cars. I would think that they would be more prevalent in higher performance, hand built cars. Warranty will cover it- if not for the poorly thought out decision of this tech to post the video, no one but the guys involved would have ever even known.

necdb3 01-12-2020 02:19 PM

Could grossly devalue the car as most likely, Ford will replace the engine, not repair it.

Simple Man 01-12-2020 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 66sprint6 (Post 6099593)
He put it out there for all to see, including insolent comments. Now he's paying for his indiscretion.

Yeah, I don't get it. They put these vids out there for all to see, and then get upset when the consequences arise. He put it on Facebook, did he not know others would see it? Sounds like more I R A Dumb Ace to me.

242177P 01-12-2020 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Simple Man (Post 6099707)
He put it on Facebook, did he not know others would see it?

It just might have been his first encounter with the real world.

https://i.postimg.cc/JhC0H6Hn/self-destruct.gif

David Jones 01-12-2020 07:26 PM

A competing dealership, with a brain, should see past the mistake and snap this guy up. Experienced techs are tough to find and keep.

Chief of the 60's 01-12-2020 08:47 PM

This guy was a service writer? Hardly what I would consider a "career". That is unless you have a very low esteem of yourself. Service writers and parts pushers are one notch above lot boy. Nothing to get all boo hoo about. I'm sure he'll get another job at some other dealership or perhaps a WalMart auto service center.

TAKerry 01-13-2020 09:33 AM

I couldn't see the video but please help me understand. Someone posted on the net a bad motor, then got fired for posting and then blames the world!! I dont get it. Then again I dont get why facebook even exists? Honestly I dont really care what people are eating for dinner, where they spent their vacation or if their kids graduated.

unruhjonny 01-13-2020 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TAKerry (Post 6099837)
I couldn't see the video but please help me understand. Someone posted on the net a bad motor, then got fired for posting and then blames the world!! I dont get it. Then again I dont get why facebook even exists? Honestly I dont really care what people are eating for dinner, where they spent their vacation or if their kids graduated.

nope;

He shared a video of a brand new GT500 slightly making fun of the fact that a brand new zero mile car was in the service bay with an obvious knock;
He apparently initially posted this on facebook, but someone scooped it, and put it on youtube;
apparently said youtube video was seen by someone at the dealership and then he was let go.
He was mad (it was quoted here) at the guy who "stole" his video and put it on youtube - but he fully accepted shortsightedness at sharing the video to start off.

It's kinda like the guy who posted a video of a brand new super low mile 2011 chevy cruze which had the steering wheel fall off... now that was a SUPER funny scenario!

Bill Eveland 01-13-2020 11:49 AM

If the customer made and posted the video, they going to fire a customer? I'm on the private ford tech facebook page and saw it the other day when it was posted. No vin was shown so don't understand the big deal really, because the customer saw it also ? He must have known it was his from the dealer posting it. . This guy shouldn't have any problems finding work at another dealer.

dataway 01-13-2020 12:15 PM

I have never, ever, in my life, seen any product where every single example ever manufactured was perfect.

There could be 1000 videos of tire smoking burnouts by beautiful performing cars .... no one cares ... if there is one video of a car with a problem ... it's obviously junk, from a junk manufacturer and everything they ever made, or will make for the rest of eternity is junk .... that's the typical response in the world of the interwebs. It's a dog eat dog world out here :)

I'd bet the catastrophic failure rates for 60's Pontiacs was WAY higher than modern cars.

Chief of the 60's 01-13-2020 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dataway (Post 6099885)
I'd bet the catastrophic failure rates for 60's Pontiacs was WAY higher than modern cars.

Obviously you never heard about the parking lot/driveway between the 2 Pontiac plants deemed "the dragstrip". It is also the reason why date codes and matching numbers don't matter.

Bill Eveland 01-13-2020 01:24 PM

The guy who got fired signed a media agreement , so its his fault for doing that. It was the customer that threw a big fit over it.

242177P 01-13-2020 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAKerry (Post 6099837)
I couldn't see the video ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OemY2c2qEzk

Quote:

Originally Posted by unruhjonny (Post 6099858)
... the guy who "stole" his video ...

Ha! I just stole your words... :hooray:

Quote:

Originally Posted by unruhjonny (Post 6099858)
... but he fully accepted shortsightedness at sharing the video to start off.

Agree, but I think it fell shy of fully accepted. Grudgingly accepted, or
conceded? Still, it sounds like he's learned his lesson. If he's even halfway
a decent tech he should have already landed another gig (hopefully at
a much nicer dealership).

People forget it's the World Wide Web. In hindsight, he really should've
showed his friends that video in person (and rotated his phone 90°)

Will 01-13-2020 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 242177P (Post 6099906)
.... (and rotated his phone 90°)

To me, this is the most egregious blunder of the whole incident.

C'mon people, just say NO to vertical video!!!

Formulabruce 01-13-2020 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by unruhjonny (Post 6099552)
I'm not suggesting you're wrong, but how would that even be possible!?
Wow, that would be several checkpoints that it would have had to go through, and then they were driven out from assembly...
wow, just wow.

I was recieving And Set up on cars at my Pontiac Dealer. I signed off on the bill of lading, which looked just like a build sheet, in triplicate. All cars condition and parts, wheel covers, etc, had to be there to sign for the delivery. If it ran like crap, it did not matter. During set up you could put in a warranty claim. I know this, the special models like pace cars were a low quality build on most cars. By ' 79 there were as many or more birds coming off the line as Camaros. One a minute basically. Lots of ordered cars came late due to the unfinished car lot being so busy with problems. Many people think things are all cut and dry. We had to lock up floor mats, pull off wheels with full size tires, owner's manuals, wheel covers, etc due to SALES . This started because new cars came through missing owner's manuals, decals, mats, etc. Replacement paperwork was a Long time coming. Lots of interesting memories ..

Formulabruce 01-13-2020 04:22 PM

The car in question had a piece of cam chain hitting the cover I was told by a Ford tech. This is not a big deal if fixed before it causes damage. Car was not missing.

unruhjonny 01-13-2020 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Formulabruce (Post 6099968)
The car in question had a piece of cam chain hitting the cover I was told by a Ford tech. This is not a big deal if fixed before it causes damage. Car was not missing.

interesting!

unruhjonny 01-13-2020 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Formulabruce (Post 6099963)
I was recieving And Set up on cars at my Pontiac Dealer. ...

I was never trying to suggest it didn't happen.

I was in shock at how it could happen.

I have understood that there was a holding area at the end of the production line which would have quarantined any cars with observed issues - I would think that a severe miss would have warranted quarantine.
But even before that, before the engine left the engine plant, it would have been assembled, then test run;
If the engine was assembled during shift change, and a rod/slug were missed, wouldn't it have been caught when it was test run on propane??!

I have read of many the problems these cars could have had when built, but it was this singular example which seems to encapsulate so many opportunities for an issue to have been identified with the engine... such a huge failure for all checkpoints, that it's utterly astounding.

salem1912 01-14-2020 12:16 AM

Once had a 3.8L Plymouth van for new car prep. Had a missfire that gave me a hard time. Lower compression in one cylinder(15 lower) than other cylinders. Turn out it had 5 3.8L rods and one 3.3L rod installed. Factory screw up but we didn't call the newspaper. (no facebook in 1990)

unruhjonny 01-14-2020 11:29 AM

/\ that's an interesting screw up!
I take it the crank ends were the same, and that it was just a shorter rod?


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