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In an effort to rectify the multitude of questions regarding what component gets what degree of black gloss I am compiling a list.
My sole source for this information originates from the "Pontiac GTO Restoration Guide 1964-1972" and seem to have found a conflict or it was not made clear. In the early pages of the book, the authors included a diagram that indicates the suspension components (control arms and stablizers for example) are 'Chassis Black'. A few hundred pages later the authors indicate that these same suspension components are 60% Gloss Black. 1) Is 'Chassis Black' the same amount of gloss and 60% gloss black? 2) The firewall, is it 30% (as the underside of hood) or 60% gloss black? Brake Backing Plates - Chassis Black, Gloss Brake Master Cylinder - Natural Metal Brake Master Cylinder Cover - Gold Cadmium (plating) Brake Master Cylinder Cover Retainers - Natural Metal or Silver Cadmimum (plating) Brake Pedal Assembly - 60% Gloss Black Brake Power Booster - Gold Cadmium (plating) Bumper Jack, Base - Blue Bumper Jack, Handle - Blue Data Plate - Black (as firewall) Fender Skirt - 60% Gloss Black Fender Skirt Shims - Silver Cadmium (plating) Frame - Chassis Black, Gloss Front Brake Hose Brackets - Black, Gloss Front Lower Control Arm - Chassis Black, Gloss Front Stabilizer - Chassis Black, Gloss Front Stabilizer Brackets - Chassis Black, Gloss Front Stabliizer Linkage - Chassis Black, Gloss Front Upper Control Arm - Chassis Black, Gloss Fuel Filler Door - 60% Gloss Black Gearshift Idler Lever Bracket - Chassis Black, Gloss Grille - 0% Gloss Black Grille egg-crate - Low-gloss silver Hood, Hinge - Black Cadmium Hood, Hinge, Spring - Silver Cadmium or Natural Metal Hood, Underside - 30% Gloss Black Horn Bracket - 60% Gloss Black Horns - 60% Gloss Black Insturment Panel, Top - 0% Gloss Black Parking Brake Lever Assembly - 60% Gloss Black Power Steering Pump - 60% Gloss Black Power Steering Pump Brackets & Bolts - 60% Gloss Black Power Steering Pump Mounting Bracket - Natural Aluminum Pulley, Alternator - Natural Aluminum Pulley, Harmonic Balancer - Engine Blue Pulley, Power Steering Pump - 60% Gloss Black Pulley, Water Pump - 60% Gloss Black Radiator - 60% Gloss Black Radiator Support - 60% Gloss Black Rear Axle Assembly - Chassis Black, Gloss Rear Brake Backing Plates - Chassis Black, Gloss Rear Bumper Mounting Bracket - 60% Gloss Black Rear Lower Control Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss Rear Upper Control Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss Spare Tire Anchor Bolt - Natural Metal Steering Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss Steering Box - 60% Gloss Black Steering Column Jacket - 60% Gloss Black Steering Column Shaft - Natural Metal Steering Column Shaft Flange - Natural Metal Steering Knuckle - Chassis Black, Gloss Steering Linkage - Chassis Black, Gloss Tail Pipe Hanger Brackets - Chassis Black, Gloss http://orbitorange.net/GDKGTO.gif 1969 GTO Restoration [This message was edited by GDK_AL on February 16, 2003 at 10:04 AM.] [This message was edited by GDK_AL on February 16, 2003 at 10:11 AM.] [This message was edited by GDK_AL on February 16, 2003 at 10:12 AM.] [This message was edited by GDK_AL on February 16, 2003 at 10:16 AM.] |
In an effort to rectify the multitude of questions regarding what component gets what degree of black gloss I am compiling a list.
My sole source for this information originates from the "Pontiac GTO Restoration Guide 1964-1972" and seem to have found a conflict or it was not made clear. In the early pages of the book, the authors included a diagram that indicates the suspension components (control arms and stablizers for example) are 'Chassis Black'. A few hundred pages later the authors indicate that these same suspension components are 60% Gloss Black. 1) Is 'Chassis Black' the same amount of gloss and 60% gloss black? 2) The firewall, is it 30% (as the underside of hood) or 60% gloss black? Brake Backing Plates - Chassis Black, Gloss Brake Master Cylinder - Natural Metal Brake Master Cylinder Cover - Gold Cadmium (plating) Brake Master Cylinder Cover Retainers - Natural Metal or Silver Cadmimum (plating) Brake Pedal Assembly - 60% Gloss Black Brake Power Booster - Gold Cadmium (plating) Bumper Jack, Base - Blue Bumper Jack, Handle - Blue Data Plate - Black (as firewall) Fender Skirt - 60% Gloss Black Fender Skirt Shims - Silver Cadmium (plating) Frame - Chassis Black, Gloss Front Brake Hose Brackets - Black, Gloss Front Lower Control Arm - Chassis Black, Gloss Front Stabilizer - Chassis Black, Gloss Front Stabilizer Brackets - Chassis Black, Gloss Front Stabliizer Linkage - Chassis Black, Gloss Front Upper Control Arm - Chassis Black, Gloss Fuel Filler Door - 60% Gloss Black Gearshift Idler Lever Bracket - Chassis Black, Gloss Grille - 0% Gloss Black Grille egg-crate - Low-gloss silver Hood, Hinge - Black Cadmium Hood, Hinge, Spring - Silver Cadmium or Natural Metal Hood, Underside - 30% Gloss Black Horn Bracket - 60% Gloss Black Horns - 60% Gloss Black Insturment Panel, Top - 0% Gloss Black Parking Brake Lever Assembly - 60% Gloss Black Power Steering Pump - 60% Gloss Black Power Steering Pump Brackets & Bolts - 60% Gloss Black Power Steering Pump Mounting Bracket - Natural Aluminum Pulley, Alternator - Natural Aluminum Pulley, Harmonic Balancer - Engine Blue Pulley, Power Steering Pump - 60% Gloss Black Pulley, Water Pump - 60% Gloss Black Radiator - 60% Gloss Black Radiator Support - 60% Gloss Black Rear Axle Assembly - Chassis Black, Gloss Rear Brake Backing Plates - Chassis Black, Gloss Rear Bumper Mounting Bracket - 60% Gloss Black Rear Lower Control Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss Rear Upper Control Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss Spare Tire Anchor Bolt - Natural Metal Steering Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss Steering Box - 60% Gloss Black Steering Column Jacket - 60% Gloss Black Steering Column Shaft - Natural Metal Steering Column Shaft Flange - Natural Metal Steering Knuckle - Chassis Black, Gloss Steering Linkage - Chassis Black, Gloss Tail Pipe Hanger Brackets - Chassis Black, Gloss http://orbitorange.net/GDKGTO.gif 1969 GTO Restoration [This message was edited by GDK_AL on February 16, 2003 at 10:04 AM.] [This message was edited by GDK_AL on February 16, 2003 at 10:11 AM.] [This message was edited by GDK_AL on February 16, 2003 at 10:12 AM.] [This message was edited by GDK_AL on February 16, 2003 at 10:16 AM.] |
...and all this time I've been shooting:
Flat Black on cast iron. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif Flat black on large area sheel metal http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif Semi-gloss on sheet metal. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif machinery Gray on aluminum. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif Clear on bolts & good condition GM parts http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif "tbdET/1xxMPH/1.xx 60foot/28"/3.54:1/10"/469 #48/Flat HYD/DualQ-Jets/Offyl/3xx0Lbs 11.00/123MPH/1.50 60foot/29.5"/4.10:1/10"/469 #48/FlatHYD/DualQuad/Wenzler/3250Lbs 12.00/112MPH/1.61 60foot/26"/3.31:1/10"/469 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3650Lbs 12.70/103MPH/1.71 60foot/28"/4.10:1/12"/469 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3950Lbs" |
GDK,
I will add this to your post. Paul and Chuck's book was written in the mid 80's. (Or at least my signed copy was). Since then a lot more detailed info has come to light. For instance, they note that all front suspension components are chassis black. Now it is generally accepted that the springs, tie rod ends, sway bar, etc. were left natural metal from the factory; and are now restored to look as such. (And judged as such) As far as the firewall, it should be 30% gloss, as it was sprayed at the same time as the floor pans and underside of the car. The inner fenders and radiator cradle, etc. were seperate parts coming in from other sources and were the higher gloss; also the heater box is the 60% gloss. The makes for an interesting contrast on the firewall, and by far the majority of underhood painting mistakes. Most paint everything the same gloss. 60% actually looks very glossy and you are likely to be told it is incorrect and too glossy! The remarks are the results of restoring and judging at the GTOAA in the late 80's and early 90's. I don't know if opinions have changed since then. |
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