[GDK_1968]

In an effort to rectify the multitude of questions regarding what component gets what degree of black gloss I am compiling a list.

My sole source for this information originates from the "Pontiac GTO Restoration Guide 1964-1972" and seem to have found a conflict or it was not made clear.

In the early pages of the book, the authors included a diagram that indicates the suspension components (control arms and stablizers for example) are 'Chassis Black'. A few hundred pages later the authors indicate that these same suspension components are 60% Gloss Black.

1) Is 'Chassis Black' the same amount of gloss and 60% gloss black?
2) The firewall, is it 30% (as the underside of hood) or 60% gloss black?

Brake Backing Plates - Chassis Black, Gloss
Brake Master Cylinder - Natural Metal
Brake Master Cylinder Cover - Gold Cadmium (plating)
Brake Master Cylinder Cover Retainers - Natural Metal or Silver Cadmimum (plating)
Brake Pedal Assembly - 60% Gloss Black
Brake Power Booster - Gold Cadmium (plating)
Bumper Jack, Base - Blue
Bumper Jack, Handle - Blue
Data Plate - Black (as firewall)
Fender Skirt - 60% Gloss Black
Fender Skirt Shims - Silver Cadmium (plating)
Frame - Chassis Black, Gloss
Front Brake Hose Brackets - Black, Gloss
Front Lower Control Arm - Chassis Black, Gloss
Front Stabilizer - Chassis Black, Gloss
Front Stabilizer Brackets - Chassis Black, Gloss
Front Stabliizer Linkage - Chassis Black, Gloss
Front Upper Control Arm - Chassis Black, Gloss
Fuel Filler Door - 60% Gloss Black
Gearshift Idler Lever Bracket - Chassis Black, Gloss
Grille - 0% Gloss Black
Grille egg-crate - Low-gloss silver
Hood, Hinge - Black Cadmium
Hood, Hinge, Spring - Silver Cadmium or Natural Metal
Hood, Underside - 30% Gloss Black
Horn Bracket - 60% Gloss Black
Horns - 60% Gloss Black
Insturment Panel, Top - 0% Gloss Black
Parking Brake Lever Assembly - 60% Gloss Black
Power Steering Pump - 60% Gloss Black
Power Steering Pump Brackets & Bolts - 60% Gloss Black
Power Steering Pump Mounting Bracket - Natural Aluminum
Pulley, Alternator - Natural Aluminum
Pulley, Harmonic Balancer - Engine Blue
Pulley, Power Steering Pump - 60% Gloss Black
Pulley, Water Pump - 60% Gloss Black
Radiator - 60% Gloss Black
Radiator Support - 60% Gloss Black
Rear Axle Assembly - Chassis Black, Gloss
Rear Brake Backing Plates - Chassis Black, Gloss
Rear Bumper Mounting Bracket - 60% Gloss Black
Rear Lower Control Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss
Rear Upper Control Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss
Spare Tire Anchor Bolt - Natural Metal
Steering Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss
Steering Box - 60% Gloss Black
Steering Column Jacket - 60% Gloss Black
Steering Column Shaft - Natural Metal
Steering Column Shaft Flange - Natural Metal
Steering Knuckle - Chassis Black, Gloss
Steering Linkage - Chassis Black, Gloss
Tail Pipe Hanger Brackets - Chassis Black, Gloss

1969 GTO Restoration

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[GDK_1968]

In an effort to rectify the multitude of questions regarding what component gets what degree of black gloss I am compiling a list.

My sole source for this information originates from the "Pontiac GTO Restoration Guide 1964-1972" and seem to have found a conflict or it was not made clear.

In the early pages of the book, the authors included a diagram that indicates the suspension components (control arms and stablizers for example) are 'Chassis Black'. A few hundred pages later the authors indicate that these same suspension components are 60% Gloss Black.

1) Is 'Chassis Black' the same amount of gloss and 60% gloss black?
2) The firewall, is it 30% (as the underside of hood) or 60% gloss black?

Brake Backing Plates - Chassis Black, Gloss
Brake Master Cylinder - Natural Metal
Brake Master Cylinder Cover - Gold Cadmium (plating)
Brake Master Cylinder Cover Retainers - Natural Metal or Silver Cadmimum (plating)
Brake Pedal Assembly - 60% Gloss Black
Brake Power Booster - Gold Cadmium (plating)
Bumper Jack, Base - Blue
Bumper Jack, Handle - Blue
Data Plate - Black (as firewall)
Fender Skirt - 60% Gloss Black
Fender Skirt Shims - Silver Cadmium (plating)
Frame - Chassis Black, Gloss
Front Brake Hose Brackets - Black, Gloss
Front Lower Control Arm - Chassis Black, Gloss
Front Stabilizer - Chassis Black, Gloss
Front Stabilizer Brackets - Chassis Black, Gloss
Front Stabliizer Linkage - Chassis Black, Gloss
Front Upper Control Arm - Chassis Black, Gloss
Fuel Filler Door - 60% Gloss Black
Gearshift Idler Lever Bracket - Chassis Black, Gloss
Grille - 0% Gloss Black
Grille egg-crate - Low-gloss silver
Hood, Hinge - Black Cadmium
Hood, Hinge, Spring - Silver Cadmium or Natural Metal
Hood, Underside - 30% Gloss Black
Horn Bracket - 60% Gloss Black
Horns - 60% Gloss Black
Insturment Panel, Top - 0% Gloss Black
Parking Brake Lever Assembly - 60% Gloss Black
Power Steering Pump - 60% Gloss Black
Power Steering Pump Brackets & Bolts - 60% Gloss Black
Power Steering Pump Mounting Bracket - Natural Aluminum
Pulley, Alternator - Natural Aluminum
Pulley, Harmonic Balancer - Engine Blue
Pulley, Power Steering Pump - 60% Gloss Black
Pulley, Water Pump - 60% Gloss Black
Radiator - 60% Gloss Black
Radiator Support - 60% Gloss Black
Rear Axle Assembly - Chassis Black, Gloss
Rear Brake Backing Plates - Chassis Black, Gloss
Rear Bumper Mounting Bracket - 60% Gloss Black
Rear Lower Control Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss
Rear Upper Control Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss
Spare Tire Anchor Bolt - Natural Metal
Steering Arms - Chassis Black, Gloss
Steering Box - 60% Gloss Black
Steering Column Jacket - 60% Gloss Black
Steering Column Shaft - Natural Metal
Steering Column Shaft Flange - Natural Metal
Steering Knuckle - Chassis Black, Gloss
Steering Linkage - Chassis Black, Gloss
Tail Pipe Hanger Brackets - Chassis Black, Gloss

1969 GTO Restoration

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[Half-Inch Stud]

...and all this time I've been shooting:

Flat Black on cast iron.
Flat black on large area sheel metal

Semi-gloss on sheet metal.

machinery Gray on aluminum.

Clear on bolts & good condition GM parts


"tbdET/1xxMPH/1.xx 60foot/28"/3.54:1/10"/469 #48/Flat HYD/DualQ-Jets/Offyl/3xx0Lbs
11.00/123MPH/1.50 60foot/29.5"/4.10:1/10"/469 #48/FlatHYD/DualQuad/Wenzler/3250Lbs
12.00/112MPH/1.61 60foot/26"/3.31:1/10"/469 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3650Lbs
12.70/103MPH/1.71 60foot/28"/4.10:1/12"/469 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3950Lbs"

[Jerry H.]

GDK,

I will add this to your post. Paul and Chuck's book was written in the mid 80's. (Or at least my signed copy was). Since then a lot more detailed info has come to light. For instance, they note that all front suspension components are chassis black. Now it is generally accepted that the springs, tie rod ends, sway bar, etc. were left natural metal from the factory; and are now restored to look as such. (And judged as such) As far as the firewall, it should be 30% gloss, as it was sprayed at the same time as the floor pans and underside of the car. The inner fenders and radiator cradle, etc. were seperate parts coming in from other sources and were the higher gloss; also the heater box is the 60% gloss. The makes for an interesting contrast on the firewall, and by far the majority of underhood painting mistakes. Most paint everything the same gloss. 60% actually looks very glossy and you are likely to be told it is incorrect and too glossy! The remarks are the results of restoring and judging at the GTOAA in the late 80's and early 90's. I don't know if opinions have changed since then.