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69 redbird 10-18-2011 08:04 PM

looking for good heads
 
I want to purchase some heads to fit a 400 block? not sure what #'s i should be looking for? I was told to find something in the 1960's with 70cc... any ideas would help.

Thanks

wovenweb 10-18-2011 08:41 PM

If you are looking for correct code heads for a '69 400 engine, I'm fairly certain you are looking for #16 heads which would be 72 cc's. I'm not sure which casting dates would be correct however.

I do have a set of #16 heads for sale with a casting date of C218 which would make them correct for a late 1968 car. Always an option if you are interested.

Baron Von Zeppelin 10-18-2011 11:21 PM

There are a lot of options in the 70cc range.
Big valve with screw-in studs are most popular.
670 / 16 / 62 / 48 / 12 / 13

You'll be around 10.5 - 11.0 CR depending on bore size - milled depth - piston to deck clearance etc...

Are you wanting correct 1969 heads ?

Here is a website with good head info :
http://www.wallaceracing.com

69 redbird 10-19-2011 08:09 AM

Thanks, checking out website now. I saw someone on here with #92 heads for sale. Looks like there 70cc also...

69 redbird 10-19-2011 08:46 AM

not really, just want more compression/power... i have #46 right now in a 350 and have no power what so ever...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin (Post 4444245)
There are a lot of options in the 70cc range.
Big valve with screw-in studs are most popular.
670 / 16 / 62 / 48 / 12 / 13

You'll be around 10.5 - 11.0 CR depending on bore size - milled depth - piston to deck clearance etc...

Are you wanting correct 1969 heads ?

Here is a website with good head info :
http://www.wallaceracing.com


67 455 Bird ragtop 10-19-2011 09:22 AM

If you can find a good set of 670s grab them. They are great stock heads.

Ron Landis 10-19-2011 11:30 AM

Those...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wovenweb (Post 4444062)
If you are looking for correct code heads for a '69 400 engine, I'm fairly certain you are looking for #16 heads which would be 72 cc's. I'm not sure which casting dates would be correct however.

I do have a set of #16 heads for sale with a casting date of C218 which would make them correct for a late 1968 car. Always an option if you are interested.

are VERY different form a '69 casting 16#...as the only 16# used in '69 model year was a pressed-in stud, low compression small-valve head that came on some two-barrel cars. A '68 16# is the large-valve, high compression screw-in stud heads. There was some confusion early on when erroneous material was printed. A '69 400 in a GTO, Firebird or GP would have had either 48# or 62# castings...depending on application. Two barrel cars are the exception. Check Eric White's book...it is accurate as far as I know. Others...not so much. Ron

Baron Von Zeppelin 10-19-2011 02:13 PM

If your #46's on the 350 - are 1973 or 1974 models - those are really some pretty decent heads and have screw-in studs. In previous flowbench tests - they performed as well as many of the 1960's performance heads.

I forget what the chamber cc is on them.
They also have hardened seats for unleaded fuel - 1972 and older mostly will not.
But have read claims of some 71-72 heads having hardened seats. idunno
1973 and newer will have them though.

If you run under 8.5 : 1 CompRatio with hardened seats - you can use 87 octane unleaded.
Believe 9.5 : 1 CR with hardened seats - is about max for 92-93 octane unleaded.

If you get into higher CompRatio's than that - you'll need race gas/aviation gas blend(s) and lead additives and things like that. It gets expensive in a street car.

The best, highest quanity, and cheapest HorsePower comes from Cubic Inches and Camshaft selection. Higher Compression Ratio is not a big factor in street engines until way way further down the line when you're trying to milk every ounce.

Another head to consider on a 400cid is the #64 from 1970 455 HO.
80'something cc's IIRC.

The higher the CompRatio - the more you have to spend on fuel.
Heads without hardened exhaust seats - an added expense to have them installed - or added expense at every refuel for lead additive.

Things to consider.

Baron Von Zeppelin 10-19-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 69 redbird (Post 4444363)
Thanks, checking out website now. I saw someone on here with #92 heads for sale. Looks like there 70cc also...

Not familiar with #92 heads at all.

Maybe they are 1969 #62 heads ? Those are usually around 75cc

Doug Hopkins 10-19-2011 07:13 PM

Probably 092 heads. 1966 389-421 4bbl. head.

wovenweb 10-19-2011 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Landis (Post 4444551)
are VERY different form a '69 casting 16#...as the only 16# used in '69 model year was a pressed-in stud, low compression small-valve head that came on some two-barrel cars. A '68 16# is the large-valve, high compression screw-in stud heads. There was some confusion early on when erroneous material was printed. A '69 400 in a GTO, Firebird or GP would have had either 48# or 62# castings...depending on application. Two barrel cars are the exception. Check Eric White's book...it is accurate as far as I know. Others...not so much. Ron

Thanks for the clarification Ron. The NOS fenders I picked up from you/your son look great!

69 redbird 10-22-2011 10:48 AM

Great info
 
Gives me a lot to think about

68toplessgoat 10-23-2011 12:50 AM

I have a set of 670 heads if you are still looking. let me know [email protected]

Thad

jetallman 10-23-2011 07:24 AM

I have sets of #16,#62,#13 #061

68toplessgoat 10-23-2011 12:43 PM

how much for the 62?

Thad


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