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Old 07-31-2015, 07:46 PM
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Not sure if you have heard, but Herb will be at the Nats and will be conducting a suspension seminar. I also have two of his catalogs and can make some copies of some of the technical portions and bring them with me if you would like.
That is too cool. I had not heard that news. Is there a link that talks about Herb being there because I would like to share it with a few people? I looked on the TA Nats website, but it is pretty worthless. They ought to be advertising news like this to draw a bigger turn out.

I would really appreciate it if you could make me copies of the articles. That's a kind offer. Look forward to seeing you in Dayton.

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I can, just didn't know if there were any legalities involved.
K, so...are the recommended WS6 align specs in your possesion the same, different, or anywhere near the ones as previously posted below?

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Old 08-01-2015, 10:37 PM
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Here are the excerpts from his book:






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That is too cool. I had not heard that news. Is there a link that talks about Herb being there because I would like to share it with a few people? I looked on the TA Nats website, but it is pretty worthless. They ought to be advertising news like this to draw a bigger turn out.

I would really appreciate it if you could make me copies of the articles. That's a kind offer. Look forward to seeing you in Dayton.
Bob,
This was posted by Scott on the TA Nationals FB page:

LAST WEEK TO PREREGISTER FOR NATS!!!!!!!! Remember to get your registration in the mail before this Friday, 7/31 and be a part of the preeminent F-body event in the world! Herb Adams returns this year and will be conducting a suspension and handling seminar. Also attending is author David Barnes. His book, "Blood, Sweat and Gears" tells the story of Herb's racing exploits in the early 70's. Copies of both Mr. Barnes' book and Herb's Chassis book will be available for purchase and we'll have an ample supply of Sharpies on hand so you can get yours autographed. Trans Am Nationals also welcomes back Pontiac historian and Museum Director Tim Dye for a historical presentation guaranteed to feature something new for even the most knowledgeable Firebird enthusiasts. Jim Mattison will also be returning this year to present the state of the Pontiac hobby and answer your question on documenting and authenticating your classic Firebird. Of course, we will be returning to Tipp City for the Saturday night cruise as well as Quaker Steak on Friday night. It's the best weekend of the year for the Firebird faithful so get your registration completed and in the mail TODAY! For those already registered, thank you for your support! Get those 'Bird buttoned up, detailed and ready for show - you won't want to miss ANYTHING at this year's event!

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So with all this talk, I put my 78 back on the machine yesterday & was able to get 2 degree's positive caster & .7 negative camber. specs are .06 negative toe already, so I kept the machine happy with that one I drove it & It does feel a little tighter off center & returns to straight forward a little better. Nothing real dramatic & there could be some placebo effect in my brain as I paying a lot of attention to it. I might bring the camber closer to neutral & see if it changes anything. I will never be railing the car into the corners at high speed, but I do like the feel of a car that wants to go straight when you let go of the wheel.

One thing I found bothersome is I found my gear box has a tiny bit of play in the sector shaft. Going to look into that this morning. Never noticed it before......

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OK, Fooled around with my car again for most of the afternoon. initally Set the camber to -1.1 & caster at +2. I went for another ride & I honestly can't notice an improvement with the increase in -camber. I am guessing that it might be useful if I was railing around a closed course track? For fear of wearing the tires (even though I hardly ever drive the car) I decided to get closer to neutral. I ran out of adjustment (no shims in front) on the drivers side & then settled for -.4 camber & 2.0 caster. Being my retentive self, I kept messing with shims until I got both sides identical. Let me tell you that this takes some patience on these cars. Especially with A/C! Newer cars are much easier...... Went for another ride, still handles great. I feel the Caster change is the notable improvement as far as road feel goes.

Turns out my steering box was just fine, the play I was feeling is actually coming from the bottom of the steering column. Not sure if there is a bearing or bushing in there, but its a little loose & I can feel it in the steering wheel just off center, each way.

Didn't mean to take over another section of your thread Bob, but this info seemed to fit this phase of your project & might be useful?
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:59 PM
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Cool, just watched Velocity "How It's Made" McLaren 650S perform wireless 4-wheel alignment setup and procedure

Makes you want the equipment and the shop!

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I'm getting a Car Show sign made for the Gold Car. The guy has given me two variations and I would appreciate a few votes. There are a few typos (W56 for one) and tweaks that need fixed, but mainly is it car top, or car bottom.





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Bob, I like the bottom lay out.

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I like the bottom version.

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"Poly Steel Wheels?" Tires perhaps? AND/OR Refinished wheels?

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Bottom, mainly because the car 'cut out" job is hacked bad at the tires on the top one. Looks great though, nice to have if it can save lots of questions.....
"oh is that a "Big BlocK" ? :P

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Bottom looks good Bob.

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I also vote for the bottom. I had a display made for a car I showed for a couple years that I need to show you. Its almost exactly like your bottom one. Makes me think the same guy worked on it. I'll send you a picture, it would surprise you how similar they are.

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Thanks, seems unanimous. The typos I caught were the on the wheels and the W56. I also don't really care for the exhaust description.

Took the car to cruis in last night and put about 20 miles on it and man does it drive and run well. It is really a sweet ride and the temps are staying dead on 180 degrees. The only thing that still need some tweaking is the carb at cold idle. The choke isn't coming in like it should and the rpms at cold idle bounce around when the throttle is applied to keep the rev's up while getting it warm. Other than that there isn't much left to do.

Almost time to figure out the next project....

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Thanks, seems unanimous. The typos I caught were the on the wheels and the W56. I also don't really care for the exhaust description.

Took the car to cruis in last night and put about 20 miles on it and man does it drive and run well. It is really a sweet ride and the temps are staying dead on 180 degrees. The only thing that still need some tweaking is the carb at cold idle. The choke isn't coming in like it should and the rpms at cold idle bounce around when the throttle is applied to keep the rev's up while getting it warm. Other than that there isn't much left to do.

Almost time to figure out the next project....
Dropping that 455 HO Pontiac engine mid-ship in your Red NSX perhaps?

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Missed the credit to Dave?

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Bob, I like the bottom one too. Where are you getting this done? I'd like to make one for my car for MCACN.

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Missed the credit to Dave?
Bite me. When you give credit to Bill for your Trans Am I will consider it. How is that project coming along?

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Bob, I like the bottom one too. Where are you getting this done? I'd like to make one for my car for MCACN.
Thanks Pat, good to hear from you. So will your car be done for MCACN? Just kidding... The guy I am using is Gary Hedlin. Tell him I sent you. His email address is:

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I thought about you last weekend when I was buffing out the Gold Car. I hope you are happy with the stuff you bought.

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