[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by Slick

Whoa! I'm sorry, but Jeff does not have any mental problem!!! Saying otherwise is just wrong.

Jeff is a genuine salt of the earth great guy. Our "garage beer fest" consisted of I think one or two beers talking about my car, his car, jobs, life, etc. over a period of several hours. No mental disorder was on display there. He's a successful guy with a bad ass car and if Facebook is any indication, a very happy family life. Happy for him, and to call him a friend.

Jeff is angry over his CV-1 experience, that certainly causes him skepticism regarding performance claims. I understand his reasons and will not speak to them. But Bill, that's no reason to make such a vulgar assertion.

I'm sorry for hurt feelings, but I meant every word of it. Best of luck to you all.

I like Jeff, loved his 64 GTO when I saw it at Norwalk and really wanted him to get the most out of his CV-1's. I do believe I helped him with a few things, but that was after he decided to get rid of his heads.

I've never stated the CV-1 heads are the best thing out, I hate getting lumped into the cheer leading. I actually tried to get Tigers and they were out of stock, so I bought 1- CV head and a pair of KRE HP's. I was a skeptic based on the lack of performance, but I wanted to draw my own conclusions.

For the record based on FACTS.

My new 68 Firebird had a 525ci Tiger Race engine in it when it was built. Best ET was around 9.26 @ 146. Weight on the car was around 3150lbs. This is not a slam on the guy who owned the car before me, Tiger heads or previous engine builder. Our 511 CV-1 went faster to the 1/8 on the SECOND PASS having fuel system issues. The weights are virtually the same, same gear, same trans, same 8 year old tires. So when someone continues to question if the heads can make as much or more as other Pontiac heads, I call BS because I have first hand experience. People want to see ET slips, I have one.

Best of luck with whatever you decide.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[Robin]

Originally Posted by b-man

A lot of truth in that post along with a much needed dash of constructive criticism.

Carry on.

Certainly some things in there all could learn by.

From my perspective this whole thing just doesn't make any sense? I have raced my whole life and bought countless products that get touted. I've been used in ads for Comp Cams in Hot Rod and many others. Not one single product has resulted in people not connected to the product maligning the product and dragging my name into the mud with total misinformation as if they had never even seen those products go fast!! Do you think there has ever been a bashing of a Brodix head or even Mr. Brodix (I don't know if there is a Mr. Brodix, it is an example) for a product offering in the way seen here? Or continued running down of the users of their products? Never for any manufacturer EVER.

From my first call to Jim I knew he knew what customer service meant. Some stories I could tell about how much help I received would seem made up. And I paid for everything, happily! So there is no purchased loyalty and to be brutally honest, if I felt a better product for the money was there that would make me faster, I'd buy it! I have done it many times previously to get to the CVs.

Jim put his heart and soul into bringing great heads to the market because he loved Pontiacs and the Pontiac people. He is a good person and doesn't deserve some of the destructive comments or misinformation pushed out on this forum. Unfortunately, I think this undue rhetoric has jaded him a bit and he can be too defensive. There is a lesson he can learn, and I've passed that to him as well.

We are a small community! A small community that should be praising efforts and respecting those who are willing to take on the challenge. What is witnessed here by some is not appropriate, nor is it seen anywhere else on the planet.

My $.02

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... i know you're the man here, but really Bart ??? ... i have to believe i'm not the only one here that is shocked you feel that way ...

... i'm just being honest, i really can't believe you see it that way, as i have personally watched Jim Sammons pay shipping costs, pay for engine parts, provide replacement cylinder heads when he did not have to do so, i've seen him pay for engine components, pay for customers dyno tests, and many times provide free heads to people that did not deserve them at all, i've watched him year in and year out provide high level CAD work for customers and myself for FREE !!! ...

... I've watched him endure the ugliest war i've ever witnessed in my life, and still reinvest into the Pontiac market over and over, countless lies upon lies have been posted here on this forum about us and this product repeatedly and you say nothing at all, but after someone buys a used engine with CV-1's on it from someone that has a mental problem, you choose to now speak up and support that person ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????

... are you kidding me ????? ... i just don't understand how you can see things this way ???????????????????????????????????????

... i'm not attacking, you but i assure you there are many here that agree with me that your comment being that of a moderator comes across as obviously bias given these cercumstances IMO ...

... i should not have said mental, should have said problem with me, sorry about that Jeff ...

... but Jeff's issue started over a manifold test issue that did not go the way he wanted, for reasons i explained to him, but he still chooses to hate towards me, he's been making his snide references for a long time, not here as of late, but he does like to poke one in the eye when he has the chance and Jeff knows he does this ...

... but again the mental part was not cool, it just kinda slipped out and i apologize for that ...

[mysticmissle]

Just shows your character. I'm well aware of it. Now most of py knows too

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I like Jeff, loved his 64 GTO when I saw it at Norwalk and really wanted him to get the most out of his CV-1's. I do believe I helped him with a few things, but that was after he decided to get rid of his heads.

I've never stated the CV-1 heads are the best thing out, I hate getting lumped into the cheer leading. I actually tried to get Tigers and they were out of stock, so I bought 1- CV head and a pair of KRE HP's. I was a skeptic based on the lack of performance, but I wanted to draw my own conclusions.

For the record based on FACTS.

My new 68 Firebird had a 525ci Tiger Race engine in it when it was built. Best ET was around 9.26 @ 146. Weight on the car was around 3150lbs. This is not a slam on the guy who owned the car before me, Tiger heads or previous engine builder. Our 511 CV-1 went faster to the 1/8 on the SECOND PASS having fuel system issues. The weights are virtually the same, same gear, same trans, same 8 year old tires. So when someone continues to question if the heads can make as much or more as other Pontiac heads, I call BS because I have first hand experience. People want to see ET slips, I have one.

Best of luck with whatever you decide.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

You had 8yr old slicks on at Norwalk? Why??

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Quote:

I'll try to clarify my Pontiac question. What(more than who) is the premier NA Pontiac you've had a major hand in its performance. (like build its motor or chassis ) Execution and good results for the sum of its parts more important than being a 7 second car.How it stacks up against similar builds is what counts.

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Bruce, I'm really not sure what you're getting at and there have been quite a few. I'll throw a some examples out there off the top of my head;
High eight second class legal 446 cid combo.(appox.10 years ago)
434 cid stock block engine 9.6 weighing 3600 lbs.(approx.10 years ago )
464 cid stock block street engine 10.0 weighing 3860 in street trim (has been bottom 9's on spray)and staying together for seventeen years and counting.
SD 455 running mid 12's weighing over 4200 lbs with 3:08 gears, stock converter,heads, and exhaust manifolds.
505 cid engine going to the final round in Tom's race that was put together in a week with the wrong manifold.
The SD 455 engine I ran in my 3900 lbs. Firebird that never lost a grudge race.
Those are a few of the NA Pontiac engines that come to mind.
BTW I don't do chassis work.

[BruceWilkie]

Thanks Paul someday you can share more details on some of these, especially the 17 yr 464.

[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by slowbird

You had 8yr old slicks on at Norwalk? Why??

All of us aren't high rollers like some 😉. Financially it was going to be a stretch just to get to Norwalk, new car, truck and trailer. Knowing we didn't get any runs on the car before the race, we could learn a few things and maybe have some fun, tires were down on the list. Heck, it was someone else's engine, borrowed a battery and slept at the track to keep costs down. As Liljack once said, "it takes a village full of idiots to build a CV-1 car! Anyway I'm glad we thrashed to make it, when and if this combo starts making the power you are, I will call it a great cylinder head.

Calvin Hill
Hill Perormance
708-250-7420

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I've never stated the CV-1 heads are the best thing out, I hate getting lumped into the cheer leading.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

Calvin, you actally build engines and racing cars. That disqualifies you from being on the cheerleading squad.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

All of us aren't high rollers like some 😉. Financially it was going to be a stretch just to get to Norwalk, new car, truck and trailer. Knowing we didn't get any runs on the car before the race, we could learn a few things and maybe have some fun, tires were down on the list. Heck, it was someone else's engine, borrowed a battery and slept at the track to keep costs down. As Liljack once said, "it takes a village full of idiots to build a CV-1 car! Anyway I'm glad we thrashed to make it, when and if this combo starts making the power you are, I will call it a great cylinder head.

Calvin Hill
Hill Perormance
708-250-7420

For safety reasons i would have changed them. At the speeds you hope/plan to run please change them before you run again.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I like Jeff, loved his 64 GTO when I saw it at Norwalk and really wanted him to get the most out of his CV-1's. I do believe I helped him with a few things, but that was after he decided to get rid of his heads.

I've never stated the CV-1 heads are the best thing out, I hate getting lumped into the cheer leading. I actually tried to get Tigers and they were out of stock, so I bought 1- CV head and a pair of KRE HP's. I was a skeptic based on the lack of performance, but I wanted to draw my own conclusions.

For the record based on FACTS.

My new 68 Firebird had a 525ci Tiger Race engine in it when it was built. Best ET was around 9.26 @ 146. Weight on the car was around 3150lbs. This is not a slam on the guy who owned the car before me, Tiger heads or previous engine builder. Our 511 CV-1 went faster to the 1/8 on the SECOND PASS having fuel system issues. The weights are virtually the same, same gear, same trans, same 8 year old tires. So when someone continues to question if the heads can make as much or more as other Pontiac heads, I call BS because I have first hand experience. People want to see ET slips, I have one.

Best of luck with whatever you decide.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

... i know you do a much better job of staying out of the mud wrestling than i do, but you are exactly correct Calvin !!! ... before and after, same car results matter !!! ... and maybe i need to add your car to the top CV-1 list !!! ....

... CV-1's go faSTER !!! ...

[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by S/st 54

To top it off, we lost 60 HP on the dyno. Never again.

The Southern Florida fiasco was a failure in every respect: From product delivery to product quality and product performance. After a year and a half of excuses and his two attempts to get it right, we still had to repair everything he sent us.

Originally Posted by Badbird69

I feel your frustration completely! I totally understand....MY East Tennessee fiasco was a failure:From product delivery time to product quality and product performance. After a 2months-3years of excuses and attempts to get it right, we still had to repair everything he sent us.

In a nutshell that's how I felt......I'm really really glad we both feel we are on the right path!
Good Luck to you Mr. Fulton.

S/st -Who where you dealing with in South Florida?

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

Just shows your character. I'm well aware of it. Now most of py knows too

... MY CHARACTER ??? ... really Jeff ??? ... you've made continued effort to preach about my character, how about for once we talk about yours ??? ...

... why don't you tell everyone here why you hate me so much ok ?? ... i'm giving you my permission to say what ever you think gives you cause to dislike, hate, refuse, disregard, disrespect me so much, please i want to see you say it ...

[mysticmissle]

I'm not sinking to your level. That would be mental

[S/st 54]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

The Southern Florida fiasco was a failure in every respect: From product delivery to product quality and product performance. After a year and a half of excuses and his two attempts to get it right, we still had to repair everything he sent us.


S/st -Who where you dealing with in South Florida?

That was Mr.Fulton that dealt with someone in South FL. Not Me. That was just a bad job on my part copy&pasting. By the time I tried to edit it,it had already times out.....I tried to cut out the we lost60hp part..

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Holy chit batman. You guys are blind if you can't see what slick is saying. And you refute his statement by calling a customer mentally ill?

NOT COOL OR PROFESSIONAL.....

... the issue i had with his comments, were the ignorant statements about Roland's spelling or finishing a sentence and how that could translate into him not caring for his customers or having a lack of attention for his customers reference ??? ... that was just ridiculous ...

... but Mike, you and i talk openly for sure, and you know i'm a no nonsense guy, i speak truthfully, but it's not like you have not made some very unkind references to some on this forum once your feathers have been ruffled true ??? ...

... homesexual references, bathroom references, little girl references and such ??? ...

... c'mon Mike, what i said wasn't that retarded, it certainly wasn't a literal one ... you know me better than that ...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

I'm not sinking to your level. That would be mental

... oh no, this is your level, not mine, i'm not the one constantly poking people in the eyballs with your unfounded hatred, that would be you sir ...

... why wouldn't you want to tell everyone here how i supposedly screwed you out of the manifold testing that we considered to do on your car so many years ago ??? ...

... now's your chance let's hear it ...

((( and i also need to point out, to be accurate, Jeff Rana was never a customer of mine, i never sold him anything, not once )))

[mysticmissle]

Your opinion of constant and mine are different. I am just stating facts as I know them Also I made no mention of Roland or his sentence structure.or did I say he didn't care about his customers. You need to re read the comments.

[bpenrod]

Originally Posted by 7T2

really??
opinions admittedly generated from a 'garage beer fest'
truly sad, bart

Slick-1 7T2-0

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

Your opinion of constant and mine are different. I am just stating facts as I know them Also I made no mention of Roland or his sentence structure.or did I say he didn't care about his customers. You need to re read the comments.

... What ??? ... i was obviously refering to Slick, not you on the sentence structure topic, c'mon Jeff, let's get to the point here, just be a man and tell everyone watching why you dislike me so much, please ??? ...

... just be honest, that's all i'm asking ...

... ok, constant you don't like, how about continuous, or repeated or repetative, or simply this crap has gone on long enough even ??? ...