[1beautifuldaughter]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Originals would be white plastic (or whatever the color was)

Replacements would have to be painted.

Thanks, I do see white plastic on the inside,, I just find it so hard to believe that someone would go to the trouble to replace the headliner and door panels on a car with no miles and no damage and change the color back in the late 70s. And the headliner looks original to me.As does the door panels. Like Judge Judy says," If it dosn't make since its probably not true" Well anything is possible so thanks for the help again, If only I could find the original owner,, I believe he owned Clyde's standard service center, 103 E. Bay st. E. Tawas Mi. (517)-362-4300 Hey Clyde Are you watching?? Did you change your interior back in the day because you had nothing better to do?? Calling all Clydes,, Hello!

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

1BD, i haven't seen pics or don't remember pics of your interior combo.
I do recall seeing some black seat backs.

Clyde seemed to have unique tatses about some cosmetic things.
Plus the car was vandalized - i took it as being some interior and exterior carnage ?
No telling what he might-or did-change on the interior.

In early to late 70's - you could find some Mint stuff on boneyard cars.

In any case, your seats-seat backs-front door panels-armrests-rear side panels-rear armrests-headliner-all headliner trimming - should all be White Ivory.
None of those should be Black or pearlescent white.

Dashpad-metal dash in front of pad-carpet-console-front kick panels-seatbelts-package tray- should all be Black.

[1beautifuldaughter]

Thanks, Yes well put, for sure Clyde had some strange 70s taste. I did see a red 71 gto on ebay now that has a a code 262 interior and with those photos I see exactly what you guys are expecting to see, I wonder if this guy was married, Honey I'm going out to change the interior colors in the judge , " I hate that black roof", "I'll be back in a couple of hours" "Dont wait up" Maybe this is why Clydes standard service station went out of busness.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Clyde would get pretty upset if he read some of the things in the thread back from when your car was first listed on eBay. Before you bought it.
Regardless of what his skin color was or was not ...

Had hoped you wouldn't ever find that thread ! lol

i'd probably get punched for the circus tent comment by Clyde, as well. :black eye:


You should put a listing in the Newspaper of that town.
If the town still exists, and still has a newspaper.

The Black 71 Automatic Judge with White/Ivory interior was pretty much an untampered virgin before it was restored.
Old pix of it could be considered benchmark at least on interior.

[1beautifuldaughter]

OH Come on,,,, He was just" CLOWNIN AROUND" Every where I brought the car before redoing it people would look at it and smile! Isnt that a clowns Job??

[71JudgeFan]

Hello PY users,

I have just joined the forums and this is my first posting but I have been following the forum for a few years already and have enjoyed reading and following along with several various threads. I figured it would be easy enough to just add to this thread as I will be another new member to the forums and look forward to learning a lot.

I was invited to join by Mike (Judge273) as I had contacted him about the '71 Judge owned by 1beautifuldaughter while it was listed on e-bay as I had come up with a theory about this car possibly being an original WT7 optioned Judge, after looking over the buildsheet. It looks like my thoughts were indeed correct as many of you have confirmed what I was thinking and I am glad and thankful to Judge273 for posting and inquiring about the possibilities of that Judge being a black wing car. That is a really great '71 Judge with some interesting history.

I have a '71 Judge with the WT7 option with the Sienna interior and 3 speed manual transmission as it has been documented by both PHS (no indication of the WT7 option) and GM of Canada (listed WT7 for my car). So I have a particular interest in the '71 Judges and certainly the black spoiler / white Judges from both '70 and '71. I have wondered what the reasoning was behind this option and hope that we can all learn more about it and hopefully discover more cars that were built with it.

I see that this discussion of 1beautifuldaughter's Judge has certainly generated some interest in '71 Judges, the WT7 option for both 1970 and 1971 and breaking down the buildsheets for these cars and other Judges. I have been following along with several threads and there has been some interesting postings and some good information being shared and I am learning a great deal. Many thanks to the members of this forum and the last couple of weeks have really been interesting to me!

Well, I just wanted to briefly make an introduction and I am looking forward to learning more about these cars and to talking with fellow Pontiac enthusiasts. So "Hello" to the many PY users!

Regards,

Brendon
71JudgeFan

[1beautifuldaughter]

Hello Brendon, As if I have the right to welcome you, I am also new here. But welcome just the same. So are you the very first curios mind to inquire about the colors of my car? If so thank you for getting the ball rolling. It was always my intention to bring the car back to "as born" being one of so few 71 Judges made, But I never knew of this option period! As could probably be said for many gto owners, I chose what I beleived was the correct color stripes just by process of elimination in the catalog (which color belongs on a white car). I never really wanted to but the blue stripes on, Just didnt seem to look right to me, Hence maybe the reason someone decided to add this option? I personaly think the eyebrow stripes on these cars though bold and flashy as intended,, Take away from the beautiful shape of these cars, Being the neurotic car owner I am, As soon as I found out about the WT-7 car, I went to work right away,,,, I have removed all the decals , And the very very very very STICKY glue from the car and applied the correct black stripe kit, With red call outs, I also had the rear wing sprayed the proper Matt black. ( eastwood ceramic underhood urithane) looks great and is very durable and UV safe. I have sent BVZ some photos of the car as it is now and he may post them soon. I love it! This color combo doesnt "clash",,,,,,,,,,,, I have taken my build sheet to many shows to meet up with " the guy who can tell you everything you need to know about it"! Just to have someone say, " yah this is the build sheet, It tells you through all these letters and numbers what your car came with", " its your cars DNA" GEE THANKS,, DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE SMARTER"?,,, In short it takes a bunch of true pontiac purists, who care enough to delve deeper into the twighlight zone. Go where no man has gone before! To figure things like this out,, So thank you Brendon, BVZ, and thanks all of you. PS my wife walked into the garage and said, " the car looks the same as it did" LOL

[Judge273]

Welcome aboard! I thought maybe Todd twisted your arm a bit?

Lots of questions still remain about those WT7 cars for 71. 3 of 15 are documented and yours is very unique too.

Love to see some pix, and anything you've discovered about the history over the years.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by 71JudgeFan

I have a '71 Judge with the WT7 option with the Sienna interior and 3 speed manual transmission as it has been documented by both PHS (no indication of the WT7 option) and GM of Canada (listed WT7 for my car).

Brendon
71JudgeFan

Another big welcome to you Brendan.
We'll certainly appreciate everything you can share on or about your WT7 Judge.

Very unique interior and tranny too !
I "believe / think" you may also have the first known 3spd Stick 71 Judge on this forum.
But now of course, around here, a car isn't documented until we see the documentation ! ...... hint ..........hint