[68bird400HO]

Originally Posted by boardog

need some info, i am going to look at what is supposed to be a 68 ram air bird this weekend. same owner for 20+ years. needs restored, green car with a black interior. i have talked with the owner and car is for sale. he says it is a ram air car but not sure. he is the 2nd owner and told me the air cleaner was missing when he bought it and previous owner told him he had the cleaner but never got it. he told me the scoops were closed. a friend of mine did look at it about 2 years ago and told me the car did have the right exhaust manifolds but did not check the numbers. i know of certian things to check but can someone post the casting #'s for me. i am going to run the vin thru phs when i look at the car. friend says the car is solid but needs restored. if it is a ram air car what would be a decent for for it. i know a lot depends on whether it is a ram air 1 or 2 car. thanks for any input.

If it is the original hood and the scoops are closed it is not a ram air car. All ram air cars had functional ram air (open scoops). If the car is supposedly untouched, it sounds like it could be a 400HO. The 400HOs came with the ram air (long branch) exhaust manifolds but had the standard 400 4bbl air cleaner, heads (#16), carb (7028264) and distributor. 400HOs are neat cars with less than 2100 built and will net a bit of a premium over a std 400 car, but, they are not is the same ballpark as a ram air car pricewise.

The head numbers are cast on the center exhaust ports. If it were a RAI it would have #31 heads and a RAII would have #96 heads (or blank on the center ex. ports with an "R" and an "A" on the outer exhaust ports).

[boardog]

Ram Air cars through 1967 and into early 1968 were arriving at the dealers with Ram Air systems missing. After an investigation, it was discovered that, since the Ram Air components were to be delivered in the trunk for dealer installation, security at the plant thought that the items in the trunk were stolen. So they confiscated the property and returned it to the parts bin.

Read more: http://www.highperformancepontiac.co...#ixzz2AQqdLoet

i will run the phs on it and see what i can find out.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Ram 1 = WI 4spd = 321 / XN Auto = 92
#31 D-Port cylinder heads

Ram 2 = WU 4spd = 98 / XT Auto = 12
#96 - RA Round-Port cylinder heads

VIN stamped on passenger front face of block.

If build date is before May , it won't be a Ram 2
1's and 2's all came with 3.90 Posi rears

PHS / BHC engine designation code 347 for Uno's and Deuce's.
Build date and Math seperates them.

Good Luck to You !
400 HO is a fine car too.

[Bet Winner]

Originally Posted by 68bird400HO

If it is the original hood and the scoops are closed it is not a ram air car. All ram air cars had functional ram air (open scoops).

Did 68 ram air cars come with the scoops closed from the factory which could be cut out and the ram air system installed? Wasn't the ram air system also in the trunk until 69? I realize a ram air car with scoops still intact would be unusual, but I thought this is how they came.

I'm looking for someone to show up at a show with an uncut hood and the ram air system still in the trunk...........................

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by Bet Winner

Did 68 ram air cars come with the scoops closed from the factory which could be cut out and the ram air system installed? Wasn't the ram air system also in the trunk until 69? I realize a ram air car with scoops still intact would be unusual, but I thought this is how they came.

I'm looking for someone to show up at a show with an uncut hood and the ram air system still in the trunk...........................

I saw one in the 80's that did that - although the car wasn't really a Ram Air car (found out later). Guy had an NOS setup in the box in the trunk.

[bulletpruf]

On a somewhat related note, Truman said that the RA II top end was delivered in the trunk of his original race car. It was a RA I car built before the II cars were produced. Believe it was from Sweeny Pontiac.