[muscle_collector]

that had to have been a really long drive from iowa to oklahoma with 3:90 or 4:56 gears.

[Cammer-6]

yea but nothing is so much fun as a 4.56 gear street car with a clutch pedal

[muscle_collector]

i had a pro street 71 trans am back in the 80's that i was running 4:56 gears with a stick and it would pull the front wheels in first and bounce them going into second. it was running mid 11's on the street.

[boardog]

need some info, i am going to look at what is supposed to be a 68 ram air bird this weekend. same owner for 20+ years. needs restored, green car with a black interior. i have talked with the owner and car is for sale. he says it is a ram air car but not sure. he is the 2nd owner and told me the air cleaner was missing when he bought it and previous owner told him he had the cleaner but never got it. he told me the scoops were closed. a friend of mine did look at it about 2 years ago and told me the car did have the right exhaust manifolds but did not check the numbers. i know of certian things to check but can someone post the casting #'s for me. i am going to run the vin thru phs when i look at the car. friend says the car is solid but needs restored. if it is a ram air car what would be a decent for for it. i know a lot depends on whether it is a ram air 1 or 2 car. thanks for any input.

[68bird400HO]

Originally Posted by boardog

need some info, i am going to look at what is supposed to be a 68 ram air bird this weekend. same owner for 20+ years. needs restored, green car with a black interior. i have talked with the owner and car is for sale. he says it is a ram air car but not sure. he is the 2nd owner and told me the air cleaner was missing when he bought it and previous owner told him he had the cleaner but never got it. he told me the scoops were closed. a friend of mine did look at it about 2 years ago and told me the car did have the right exhaust manifolds but did not check the numbers. i know of certian things to check but can someone post the casting #'s for me. i am going to run the vin thru phs when i look at the car. friend says the car is solid but needs restored. if it is a ram air car what would be a decent for for it. i know a lot depends on whether it is a ram air 1 or 2 car. thanks for any input.

If it is the original hood and the scoops are closed it is not a ram air car. All ram air cars had functional ram air (open scoops). If the car is supposedly untouched, it sounds like it could be a 400HO. The 400HOs came with the ram air (long branch) exhaust manifolds but had the standard 400 4bbl air cleaner, heads (#16), carb (7028264) and distributor. 400HOs are neat cars with less than 2100 built and will net a bit of a premium over a std 400 car, but, they are not is the same ballpark as a ram air car pricewise.

The head numbers are cast on the center exhaust ports. If it were a RAI it would have #31 heads and a RAII would have #96 heads (or blank on the center ex. ports with an "R" and an "A" on the outer exhaust ports).

[boardog]

Ram Air cars through 1967 and into early 1968 were arriving at the dealers with Ram Air systems missing. After an investigation, it was discovered that, since the Ram Air components were to be delivered in the trunk for dealer installation, security at the plant thought that the items in the trunk were stolen. So they confiscated the property and returned it to the parts bin.

Read more: http://www.highperformancepontiac.co...#ixzz2AQqdLoet

i will run the phs on it and see what i can find out.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Ram 1 = WI 4spd = 321 / XN Auto = 92
#31 D-Port cylinder heads

Ram 2 = WU 4spd = 98 / XT Auto = 12
#96 - RA Round-Port cylinder heads

VIN stamped on passenger front face of block.

If build date is before May , it won't be a Ram 2
1's and 2's all came with 3.90 Posi rears

PHS / BHC engine designation code 347 for Uno's and Deuce's.
Build date and Math seperates them.

Good Luck to You !
400 HO is a fine car too.

[Bet Winner]

Originally Posted by 68bird400HO

If it is the original hood and the scoops are closed it is not a ram air car. All ram air cars had functional ram air (open scoops).

Did 68 ram air cars come with the scoops closed from the factory which could be cut out and the ram air system installed? Wasn't the ram air system also in the trunk until 69? I realize a ram air car with scoops still intact would be unusual, but I thought this is how they came.

I'm looking for someone to show up at a show with an uncut hood and the ram air system still in the trunk...........................

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by Bet Winner

Did 68 ram air cars come with the scoops closed from the factory which could be cut out and the ram air system installed? Wasn't the ram air system also in the trunk until 69? I realize a ram air car with scoops still intact would be unusual, but I thought this is how they came.

I'm looking for someone to show up at a show with an uncut hood and the ram air system still in the trunk...........................

I saw one in the 80's that did that - although the car wasn't really a Ram Air car (found out later). Guy had an NOS setup in the box in the trunk.

[bulletpruf]

On a somewhat related note, Truman said that the RA II top end was delivered in the trunk of his original race car. It was a RA I car built before the II cars were produced. Believe it was from Sweeny Pontiac.

[The Boss]

Scott, that's the same way Pete McCarthy got his - RA I car, II heads in the trunk.

[keith k]

Originally Posted by The Boss

Scott, that's the same way Pete McCarthy got his - RA I car, II heads in the trunk.

Exhaust manifolds, too?

Or Pontiac knew these were race cars so they skipped that...?

[Cammer-6]

Well Truman told me that it was a "deal" worked out to include those parts.

[brians]

Never heard that Truman's FB came with RAII heads in the trunk?

He told me that that his brother and him ordered thier cars in November 67 and recieved them in mid Dec. Never seen or heard of any RAII head cast that early.

Maybe he'll post again, would be interested in reading the specifics.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

1. VooDoo Green - Black Deluxe Bench - 4spd
Matching #'s
Restored - 3 owners - 62,000 actual miles
Documented BHC on PY
Joe RamAir2 on PY


2. Special Paint " Bright Green Metallic " - now BlackCherry - Black interior - 4spd
Real Nice Survivor Driver - Matching #'s
Gary - Muscle_Collector on PY
Documented


3. Autumn Bronze - Black Std interior - 4spd
Restored
Has beaten every type Muscle Car ever built at least once in its lifetime on a 1/4 mile.
Most all of them beaten repeatedly for years and years and years.
And still counting....
Jim Mino
Documented BHC on PY


4. Autumn Bronze - Black Std interior - 4spd
Kevin - former Jim Mino car
Restored
Documented


5. Special Paint Red - Red interior - 4spd
Restored - with 9,000 actual miles - only 1 non-required option = Rally Gauges
Radio and Heat DELETE - Bare Bone to the Bone
Currently in Pontiac Museum
Rob C.


6. Convertible - Triple Black - 4spd
Concours restored , Matching #'s
Mark


7. Nightshade Green - 4spd
Matching #'s , in need of full resto
Mark , again


8. VooDoo Green - Blk interior - Blk vinyl top - 4spd
5k miles cosmetic restored - Matching #s
Former Jim Mattison car
Rob L.


9. VooDoo Green - 4spd
Now restored Triple Black - in process of assembly
Rob L. , again


10. Convertible - Red , White interior , Black top - 4spd
Matching #'s - in need of full resto
Originally Red , presently Green
GC.
documented BHC on PY - supplied by Jim Mino


11. 4spd - 2 owners - Matching #'s
Needs Full Resto
UNKNOWN
info supplied by Joe RamAir2


12. Special Paint Red - Black Std interior - 4spd
Hood Tach, Gauges, SoftRay All
DELETE heater, radio, carpet padding, seam sealer, 1 horn
1700 miles currently , and previously painted Black
Sold new and sponsored by Wells Pontiac of Richmond, Indiana.
Raced by the Frame Brothers.
Documented


13. White - Black Bench Seat interior - Automatic Column Shift
First Ram2 Bird produced
Ordered and Raced by Weidner Pontiac in Mansfield, Ohio and was raced in NHRA's stock class by Pete Weidner.
Currently being restored
Jim Mino
Documented


14. Convertible - Red - Black Custom interior - Black Power Top - 4spd
Highly optioned - currently being restored
Found at Carlisle with miscellaneous engine - with proper wisdom / knowledge - was purchased from unsuspecting seller.
Goes to show about being in the know - thats what it takes !
Rick
Documented


15. Special Order Paint Windward Blue - Black Interior - 4spd
Hood Tach, Rally Gauge/Wheels/Stripes (Stripes are gone)
# Matching, Unrestored. 58K miles
PY member dameyerfam
Documented BHC on PY


16. Black - Black Std Interior - 4spd
Low Low Option Car - Radio, Hood Tach, Stripe
# Matching Engine and Axle - Currently being Concourse Restored
PMD Internal / Zone Connection - sold with 21% Discount and .00 HoldBack
8-Ball in Michigan
Documented BHC on PY


*17. Convertible - VooDoo Green
Awaiting any further details from H-I-S
Greg PA

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MIA- Two-Tone with Black body - Turquoise roof
Automatic - Column Shift
Idaho area last known locality

MIA - 68 Tin Indian Bird - Knafel Pontiac OhiO
appears to have been a White body with Black interior
unkown Engine type / unknown Transmission type

MIA - Towne Pontiac Race Car - Winnepeg Manitoba Canada
Red - Black interior - 4spd

MIA Red - White Painted Roof - 2tone - 4spd
Muscle_Collector has the complete engine

[wheelman]

9. VooDoo Green - 4spd
Now restored Triple Black - in process of assembly
Rob L. , again

Correction on #9 Robert sold car last year, I delivered it to the body man. Now back to green almost done, just some finishing touches left last time I talked to him. Current owner is from Texas.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thanks Wheelman
Will correct/update that info to the list on next update.

[spb350]

Anybody know if one of the RA convertible Birds was originally painted autumn bronze? Thanks

[The Boss]

There's another one in Texas BVZ, I'm trying to get a PHS on it.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Cool Boss ! Hope it works out that they can share it with us.

spb350
i'm not sure if i have the right facts - but supposedly the combined Ram1 and Ram2 Bird Verts built is only 12. fwiw

A Bronze 400HO 4spd Vert was cloned into Ram1 car here in NC back in the 80's is the only one i know of. It had die-cast Ram Air emblems on the hood. White interior.