[PONTIAC DUDE]

Originally Posted by Elarson

Development at the high end of the technology food chain eventually helps the racer with the more modest program. 18 years ago, a ported set of E-heads was cutting edge. Now look.....

Eric

And then around 315 cfm before wideports and CNC 350 cfm std pushrod location E-heads.

[ponjohn]

Originally Posted by PONTIAC DUDE

And then around 315 cfm before wideports and CNC 350 cfm std pushrod location E-heads.

WOW 315 was the high water mark?

[Aaron Quinton]

Yep, that's right. When the E-heads first come out the hight water mark was the 310 cfm jobs from Butler. My 400 made 620 hp with those heads, a KRE ported Warrior and a 1050 Dominator on pump gas at 11:1 compression. That was back in the mid 90's when those heads where as good as you could get.

Wow have times changed. We are VERY lucky to have the aftermarket support for Pontiacs today. KRE. Edelbrock, Allpontiac, BOP, Roland Racing, and Visner and others who have invested their time and money to support the development of the Pontiac engine. Thanks to all of these companies who have help us move the Pontiac engine forward.

Look at Buick, Olds and Caddy's and tell me we aren't doing great. It's good to be a Pontiac person!

Originally Posted by ponjohn

WOW 315 was the high water mark?

[Daniel Barton]

Don't let the ding dongs, liars and morons bother you brother.... we know the truth! The heads look like a nice start Jack, valve placement looked good and I think it can be made to work well for you.

[john marcella]

Why is it whenever there is a good head, motor, part or whatever these threads get pissed on with people trying to validate its worth by how much it cost.
Bang for the buck chit.

A good part is........ a good idea, good engineering, and then the ability to produce it. Money has nothing to do with it.
Money is only a detail , and a tool that brings those things together.

[JD311]

if you want bang for buck build an LS whatever! lol

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Why is it whenever there is a good head, motor, part or whatever these threads get pissed on with people trying to validate its worth by how much it cost.
Bang for the buck chit.

A good part is........ a good idea, good engineering, and then the ability to produce it. Money has nothing to do with it.
Money is only a detail , and a tool that brings those things together.

X2

Tom Vaught

[65nss4spdGTO]

Jack,

Congrats on the new direction.

I am curious why you went this direction vs the traditional Pontiac head design Visner offers?

I spent a fair amount of time talking with David Visner, really nice guy with great ideas. He did tell me he sold a second set now too.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[cfmcnc]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Why is it whenever there is a good head, motor, part or whatever these threads get pissed on with people trying to validate its worth by how much it cost.
Bang for the buck chit.

A good part is........ a good idea, good engineering, and then the ability to produce it. Money has nothing to do with it.
Money is only a detail , and a tool that brings those things together.

X3 When the phone rings and the very first question is How Much Money does it cost?We are dealing with someone that will never go to the head of the class.Bill C.

[cboggs]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Money is only a detail , and a tool that brings those things together.

THIS is a big issue,, same crap happens in my shop.
racer wants the best / fastest / latest but wants
a budget price.

it doesn't work, money is the facilitator in
these projects. It takes resources to make these
types of advancements, resources cost money.
It's they way it works,, no free lunch.

I recently had a few pro level customers who
thought I should do record setting work at
a free or near free rate! I'll put your sticker on
my car bull****.

meanwhile I have rent, electricity, employees,
Morgage, good, family etc to pay for.
Can't expect great work from someone who's
wondering how he's gonna pay the rent.

Money is the facilitator for great work !

Curtis

[cfmcnc]

Curtis,Welcome to PY,Bill C.

[cfmcnc]

Originally Posted by cboggs

THIS is a big issue,, same crap happens in my shop.
racer wants the best / fastest / latest but wants
a budget price.

it doesn't work, money is the facilitator in
these projects. It takes resources to make these
types of advancements, resources cost money.
It's they way it works,, no free lunch.

I recently had a few pro level customers who
thought I should do record setting work at
a free or near free rate! I'll put your sticker on
my car bull****.

meanwhile I have rent, electricity, employees,
Morgage, good, family etc to pay for.
Can't expect great work from someone who's
wondering how he's gonna pay the rent.

Money is the facilitator for great work !

Curtis

Yup,Back in the seventies when we were doing work for a couple top qualifying NHRA Prostocks,We had a backrunner show up telling us that the guy that was doing his work was doing it for Nothing,After we checked it all out we found that was exactly what is was worth,Nothing.Bill C.

[bankbook]

Originally Posted by Aaron Quinton

Yep, that's right.

Wow have times changed. We are VERY lucky to have the aftermarket support for Pontiacs today. KRE. Edelbrock, Allpontiac, BOP, Roland Racing, and Visner and others who have invested their time and money to support the development of the Pontiac engine. Thanks to all of these companies who have help us move the Pontiac engine forward.

Look at Buick, Olds and Caddy's and tell me we aren't doing great. It's good to be a Pontiac person!

This^^!