[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Excellent question.

This is the Race Section Under Pontiac Tech

When I first started posting here there was a good number of technical threads. But for the past few month there has been much less technical discussions and much more **** threads.

So I am in the process of reevaluating what if any value this section (Race) has.

Clearly the Street and Boost section still have a great variety in topics and discussion.

Stan

Stan,

Relax I'm not about to slam you. By technical discussions do you mean theoretical discussions of hypothesis and Ideas?

Or more like discussions on various parts,methods, and procedures to advance a particular racer in need of help or possibly us all.

Or does it look more like a couple guys discussing their Ideas and theories completely unchecked. Those theories and hypothesis are the GOLDEN rule and whomever has the best IDEA wins regardless of facts or some racers experience IN THAT VERY AREA.


THERES A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE HERE IN THE RACE SECTION.

lots of us help each other out of problems and improve each others combos. Some are only here to gain or share knowledge....thats cool too. The problems start when there is no separation between IDEAS and EXPERIENCE. THEN BACK AND FORTH. 9 times out of 10 that back and forth is someone with actual experience and more usable data asking for the IDEA to be verified with some facts.......THE SHEIT HITS THE FAN WHEN THE DANCE STARTS. Somewhere in here we need to insert the cheerleaders of products and vendors because of philosophy or emotional attachment, or detachment. Saying the IA2 sucks and the MR1 is the BEST while owning neither is just RIDICULOUS! If you examined the 2 and have an opinion fine....state it as such and move on. Same for heads.....and before either side gets all excited.....BOTH sides are evaluating each others performance. Failing to recognize the performance or lack of on either side makes you an emotional weiner. LOVE your favorite football team...hate the other guys if you want. This math and physics not an allegiance sport.

Would make for more useful and enjoyable forum if the IDEA guys would just say " why no I don't have any proof to back that up......Do you have some particular experience or useful data that you can share?" Both sides can potentially learn something here. The Idea guys can contribute as well as I'm always interested in ways to make hp or go faster with what I have...and so are others.

I won't sit idle while theories are discussed as facts. If you even have a reasonable argument for you theory OK cool I'll listen. But If guys want to feel like a big shot and say things that may cause just one person to waste their hard earned money......there are going to be folks to set the record strait. Just how it is

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Stan,

Relax I'm not about to slam you. By technical discussions do you mean theoretical discussions of hypothesis and Ideas?

Or more like discussions on various parts,methods, and procedures to advance a particular racer in need of help or possibly us all.

Or does it look more like a couple guys discussing their Ideas and theories completely unchecked. Those theories and hypothesis are the GOLDEN rule and whomever has the best IDEA wins regardless of facts or some racers experience IN THAT VERY AREA.


THERES A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE HERE IN THE RACE SECTION.

lots of us help each other out of problems and improve each others combos. Some are only here to gain or share knowledge....thats cool too. The problems start when there is no separation between IDEAS and EXPERIENCE. THEN BACK AND FORTH. 9 times out of 10 that back and forth is someone with actual experience and more usable data asking for the IDEA to be verified with some facts.......THE SHEIT HITS THE FAN WHEN THE DANCE STARTS. Somewhere in here we need to insert the cheerleaders of products and vendors because of philosophy or emotional attachment, or detachment. Saying the IA2 sucks and the MR1 is the BEST while owning neither is just RIDICULOUS! If you examined the 2 and have an opinion fine....state it as such and move on. Same for heads.....and before either side gets all excited.....BOTH sides are evaluating each others performance. Failing to recognize the performance or lack of on either side makes you an emotional weiner. LOVE your favorite football team...hate the other guys if you want. This math and physics not an allegiance sport.

Would make for more useful and enjoyable forum if the IDEA guys would just say " why no I don't have any proof to back that up......Do you have some particular experience or useful data that you can share?" Both sides can potentially learn something here. The Idea guys can contribute as well as I'm always interested in ways to make hp or go faster with what I have...and so are others.

I won't sit idle while theories are discussed as facts. If you even have a reasonable argument for you theory OK cool I'll listen. But If guys want to feel like a big shot and say things that may cause just one person to waste their hard earned money......there are going to be folks to set the record strait. Just how it is

Mike,
Sorry it has taken sometime to answer your question, but I been busy updating my software and making picture for a thread on another forum.

cam timing using cranking pressure http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic...295fe791a82845

If you are not a member of Speed Talk you will not be able to see the pictures so I have attached them to this post.

A thread like this is more of the technical type of discussion that I enjoy.

Stan

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Mike,
Sorry it has taken sometime to answer your question, but I been busy updating my software and making picture for a thread on another forum.

cam timing using cranking pressure http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic...295fe791a82845

If you are not a member of Speed Talk you will not be able to see the pictures so I have attached them to this post.

A thread like this is more of the technical type of discussion that I enjoy.

Stan

in other words option 3.

cool graphs, your program is very good for that....these are more able to accept simulations than the whole coating thing, etc.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mike leech

in other words option 3.

cool graphs, your program is very good for that....these are more able to accept simulations than the whole coating thing, etc.

Mike,
I might know what option 3 is if you had numbered your original post. But not a problem you can ask and answer your own questions.

Stan

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Mike,
I might know what option 3 is if you had numbered your original post. But not a problem you can ask and answer your own questions.

Stan

Ok sounds fair since you make theories and want no discourse...



JOHNTA1 you need to catch up on liking gtogeorgs and stans posts. Don't want to miss that "YA WHAT HE SAID...THANKS BUTTON"

[twooldgoats]

Originally Posted by mike leech

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JOHNTA1 you need to catch up on liking gtogeorgs and stans posts. Don't want to miss that "YA WHAT HE SAID...THANKS BUTTON"

Pot, meet kettle.

Jim

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by twooldgoats

Pot, meet kettle.

Jim

so...so hurtful...from another gtogeorge nuthugger...oh the pain.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Ok sounds fair since you make theories and want no discourse...

Mike,
Someday you will learn the difference between theories and calculation based on the laws of physics. I do post some of each. I have no problem with discourse as long as the other person can stay on topic.

Stan

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Mike,
Someday you will learn the difference between theories and calculation based on the laws of physics. I do post some of each. I have no problem with discourse as long as the other person can stay on topic.

Stan

I know the difference right now and have for some time....I asked you to substantiate several of your hypothesis. You never do. you just carry on with the premise its golden truth and only you "REALLY" know. Thats a nice little world you've built up there. Theres a few here with more knowledge than you think.

Carry On teaching.....I'll only ask for proof or some data if It involves suggesting things will work that clearly won't. And I'll have data....sorry if thats offensive to you.

NOT sorry if your buddies get all butt hurt in the process.

[Jim Zeek]

Originally Posted by mike leech

JOHNTA1 you need to catch up on liking gtogeorgs and stans posts. Don't want to miss that "YA WHAT HE SAID...THANKS BUTTON"

he's to busy avoiding the questions asked of him in this thread. he stops posting in a thread when he gets called on the carpet. just like he did in the rambling thread when I asked him the same question I asked here. kinda the same response usually given to the question about a certain cars race weight....none.