[b-man]

I'd take the Camaro.

In a heartbeat.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by b-man

I'd take the Camaro.

In a heartbeat.

Ditto.

I think this says it best...

[David Jones]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Ditto.

I think this says it best...

Translation?

You'd have to pump up a 4 cylinder fairly tight to haul that lard bucket around.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by David Jones

Translation?

You'd have to pump up a 4 cylinder fairly tight to haul that lard bucket around.

Ummmm....

The Eco Boost 4 Mustang weighs more than last year's V6 Stang. To make the EcoBoost look better - they decreased the power of their V6 to 300HP to make the boosted version look better with 310.

The V6 Camaro is only about 5% heavier than the new EcoBust Stang - and has about 5% more HP.

[David Jones]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Ummmm....

The Eco Boost 4 Mustang weighs more than last year's V6 Stang. To make the EcoBoost look better - they decreased the power of their V6 to 300HP to make the boosted version look better with 310.

The V6 Camaro is only about 5% heavier than the new EcoBust Stang - and has about 5% more HP.

2015 Mustang Eco-Boost weighs approx 3532 with a manual and approx 3524 with an auto.
2014 Mustang V6 weighs approx 3530.
Depending on where you pulled your numbers there could be a little variance. But not much. Sounds like a wash to me.
You say they knocked 10hp off for comparative purposes.
Yes, the Camaro is heavier. Yes it has a little bit more HP. It is also substantially down on torque from the Eco-Boost with the V6 Camaro coming in at 278 while the little 4 cylinder Mustang pumps out 320.
How did you miss pointing that out?

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by David Jones

2015 Mustang Eco-Boost weighs approx 3532 with a manual and approx 3524 with an auto.
2014 Mustang V6 weighs approx 3530.
Depending on where you pulled your numbers there could be a little variance. But not much. Sounds like a wash to me.
You say they knocked 10hp off for comparative purposes.
Yes, the Camaro is heavier. Yes it has a little bit more HP. It is also substantially down on torque from the Eco-Boost with the V6 Camaro coming in at 278 while the little 4 cylinder Mustang pumps out 320.
How did you miss pointing that out?

Well, I got my numbers that according to Road and Track are directly from Ford:

Here are the official numbers, straight from Ford, "pending certification."

For this sixth generation, the base 3.7-liter V6 model’s power rating drops from 305 hp to 300 hp.

The base V6 fastback with a manual weighs in at 3526 lbs, an increase of 30 lbs over the 2014 model. With an automatic, the curb weight is 3530 lbs, a 12-lb increase.

So the 2014 V6 weighed 3496. The 3530 pound number that you say was for the 2014 is actually for the 2015 V6 auto.

And what does the EcoBoost weigh? In base trim with a stick, 3532 lbs. That's 36 lbs more than a V6-equipped 2014 car.

[69goatboy]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Ditto.

I think this says it best...

Is that really the new front end of the 2015 Camaro?
Looks like crap and resembles the Cruze.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by 69goatboy

Is that really the new front end of the 2015 Camaro?
Looks like crap and resembles the Cruze.

Personally - I think it's much better looking the dead horse.

And the fact that a Chevy looks like a Chevy isn't a problem to me.

[69goatboy]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Personally - I think it's much better looking the dead horse.

I didn't say squat about the Ford.

Originally Posted by The Champ

And the fact that a Chevy looks like a Chevy isn't a problem to me.

That Chevy looks like a 3rd grader designed the grill.
I take that back, I think a 3rd grader could have come up with something better.

And if the bowtie gets any larger, it'll be worthy of putting it on a chain around Flavor-Flav's neck.

The previous Camaro's grill is much better looking. A Camaro should look like a Camaro, not like the rest of the faces in the rent-a-car lot.

Or perhaps Chevy is wanting to follow in Dodge's footsteps and put the same grill on every vehicle they make? That would be a brilliant marketing move.

[Captainofiron]

Originally Posted by 69goatboy

Is that really the new front end of the 2015 Camaro?
Looks like crap and resembles the Cruze.

its better looking than the wannabe Aston Martin front end Ford is using

[BubbleTops]

That red car is not the 2016 camaro. Thankfully.

Originally Posted by The Champ

Ditto.

I think this says it best...