[KS circutguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUQZwmTKMqw

Published on Oct 14, 2014
The 2015 Camaro SS 1LE vs. the all-new 2015 Mustang GT 5.0 with Performance Package option. Watch in full... Randy Pobst drives both in the latter part of the comparison.

[Captainofiron]

cool!

[GT182]

I really like the looks of the Mustang. No Camaro for me even tho it gripped the road better.

[b-man]

I'd take the Camaro.

In a heartbeat.

[KS circutguy]

Originally Posted by GT182

I really like the looks of the Mustang. No Camaro for me even tho it gripped the road better.

I agree.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by b-man

I'd take the Camaro.

In a heartbeat.

Ditto.

I think this says it best...

[David Jones]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Ditto.

I think this says it best...

Translation?

You'd have to pump up a 4 cylinder fairly tight to haul that lard bucket around.

[69goatboy]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Ditto.

I think this says it best...

Is that really the new front end of the 2015 Camaro?
Looks like crap and resembles the Cruze.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by David Jones

Translation?

You'd have to pump up a 4 cylinder fairly tight to haul that lard bucket around.

Ummmm....

The Eco Boost 4 Mustang weighs more than last year's V6 Stang. To make the EcoBoost look better - they decreased the power of their V6 to 300HP to make the boosted version look better with 310.

The V6 Camaro is only about 5% heavier than the new EcoBust Stang - and has about 5% more HP.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by 69goatboy

Is that really the new front end of the 2015 Camaro?
Looks like crap and resembles the Cruze.

Personally - I think it's much better looking the dead horse.

And the fact that a Chevy looks like a Chevy isn't a problem to me.

[Captainofiron]

Originally Posted by 69goatboy

Is that really the new front end of the 2015 Camaro?
Looks like crap and resembles the Cruze.

its better looking than the wannabe Aston Martin front end Ford is using

[David Jones]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Ummmm....

The Eco Boost 4 Mustang weighs more than last year's V6 Stang. To make the EcoBoost look better - they decreased the power of their V6 to 300HP to make the boosted version look better with 310.

The V6 Camaro is only about 5% heavier than the new EcoBust Stang - and has about 5% more HP.

2015 Mustang Eco-Boost weighs approx 3532 with a manual and approx 3524 with an auto.
2014 Mustang V6 weighs approx 3530.
Depending on where you pulled your numbers there could be a little variance. But not much. Sounds like a wash to me.
You say they knocked 10hp off for comparative purposes.
Yes, the Camaro is heavier. Yes it has a little bit more HP. It is also substantially down on torque from the Eco-Boost with the V6 Camaro coming in at 278 while the little 4 cylinder Mustang pumps out 320.
How did you miss pointing that out?

[69goatboy]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Personally - I think it's much better looking the dead horse.

I didn't say squat about the Ford.

Originally Posted by The Champ

And the fact that a Chevy looks like a Chevy isn't a problem to me.

That Chevy looks like a 3rd grader designed the grill.
I take that back, I think a 3rd grader could have come up with something better.

And if the bowtie gets any larger, it'll be worthy of putting it on a chain around Flavor-Flav's neck.

The previous Camaro's grill is much better looking. A Camaro should look like a Camaro, not like the rest of the faces in the rent-a-car lot.

Or perhaps Chevy is wanting to follow in Dodge's footsteps and put the same grill on every vehicle they make? That would be a brilliant marketing move.

[NeighborsComplaint]

Well, at least GM didn't follow the stylings of the "Motor City Masters" winner Camilo Pardo. He was the designer of the Ford GT and came up with the blue Camaro/Mustang mashup that won the competition. The striping had Boss 302 influence all over it.

[1968firebird455]

That is the 2016 Camaro 'RENDERING'. The 2015 Camaro sitting in my driveway doesn't look like that. I am going to make the assumption that you will see some design elements transitioning towards the 2nd gen cars but highly doubt that they are going to paste a cruse/malibu bumper/grill combo on the front of it. Also the pissing match over a couple hundred pounds and a handfull of hp is pointless. Yes todays cars are heavy but 325 hp out of a V6 while only drinking 24mpg is pretty impressive and the car is far from boring on the road.

[David Jones]

I don't think either figure is anything other than normal these days, though honestly 24 ain't that impressive.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by David Jones

2015 Mustang Eco-Boost weighs approx 3532 with a manual and approx 3524 with an auto.
2014 Mustang V6 weighs approx 3530.
Depending on where you pulled your numbers there could be a little variance. But not much. Sounds like a wash to me.
You say they knocked 10hp off for comparative purposes.
Yes, the Camaro is heavier. Yes it has a little bit more HP. It is also substantially down on torque from the Eco-Boost with the V6 Camaro coming in at 278 while the little 4 cylinder Mustang pumps out 320.
How did you miss pointing that out?

Well, I got my numbers that according to Road and Track are directly from Ford:

Here are the official numbers, straight from Ford, "pending certification."

For this sixth generation, the base 3.7-liter V6 model’s power rating drops from 305 hp to 300 hp.

The base V6 fastback with a manual weighs in at 3526 lbs, an increase of 30 lbs over the 2014 model. With an automatic, the curb weight is 3530 lbs, a 12-lb increase.

So the 2014 V6 weighed 3496. The 3530 pound number that you say was for the 2014 is actually for the 2015 V6 auto.

And what does the EcoBoost weigh? In base trim with a stick, 3532 lbs. That's 36 lbs more than a V6-equipped 2014 car.

[Captainofiron]

Originally Posted by 1968firebird455

That is the 2016 Camaro 'RENDERING'. The 2015 Camaro sitting in my driveway doesn't look like that. I am going to make the assumption that you will see some design elements transitioning towards the 2nd gen cars but highly doubt that they are going to paste a cruse/malibu bumper/grill combo on the front of it. Also the pissing match over a couple hundred pounds and a handfull of hp is pointless. Yes todays cars are heavy but 325 hp out of a V6 while only drinking 24mpg is pretty impressive and the car is far from boring on the road.

not to start a flame war, but my old 97 WS6 got 23-25 mpg, AND that was after I modified it and the whole E10 gasohol thing came along

[BubbleTops]

That red car is not the 2016 camaro. Thankfully.

Originally Posted by The Champ

Ditto.

I think this says it best...

[BubbleTops]

Here are rendering made recently of the 2016 camaro based on camouflaged test cars that have been spotted and a video of it on the Nurburgring track in Germany.

http://youtu.be/rW23KpJcvjg