[Glenn Sedig]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Intake Parameters Calc

I still think you can run alcohol injection and more than make the HP.

Not sure there is enough in those things you are looking at.

I would also look at the car setup to try and pick the ET up.
Seems like you are losing a couple tenths possibly with your car/chassis compared to the HP of your engine?

Just my 2¢

When I tried alcohol it was with carburetors. Are you thinking Ron's toilet or?

I will look at setup of the car. I am giving up some with the frontal area of my car. (1969 Grand Prix)

[johnta1]

Are you thinking Ron's toilet or?

Yes, or the Terminators.

Easy to set up and run.
Lower clearance than the 'Bird' type injection.
(and possibly the carbs)

I know your GP is big, but the wagon aero is probably not that good either?



A properly set up alcohol system should be at least 5% more power.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I know your GP is big, but the wagon aero is probably not that good either?



A properly set up alcohol system should be at least 5% more power.

Frontal is hardly even close

If 5% were the case at his power level everyone would be running it. AND THEY ARE NOT. THINK ABOUT IT.

[johnta1]

I have thought about it.
And do it.

Read about it, maybe learn something?

[slowbird]

I'd be very surprised if alcohol is 5% better than Q16. Q16 makes darn good power

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I have thought about it.
And do it.

Read about it, maybe learn something?

LOL!!!! You are no where near 1070 hp. Fact. And you have not increased a engine like that 1% with anything ever. Period

[johnta1]

Period

We all know you're having your period.



But your opinions don't change physics.

[GTOGEORGE]

In an NA engine using Alcohol will give you more torque if you're running high RPM you probably won't see much in ET gain. You'll pick up more in consistency in ET along with the obvious cooling affect.


GTO George

[Half-Inch Stud]

Originally Posted by johnta1

We all know you're having your period.

But your opinions don't change physics.

Can you gin up a calculator for thaat? HIS

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I know your GP is big, but the wagon aero is probably not that good either?

For the same frontal area, a wagon will go thru the air with less aero drag vs a regular body as the longer body keeps the air straight for a longer period of time and less aero effect at the rear of the vehicle.

Same effect but to a lesser degree with a truck with a hard cover over the bed. We are not talking a camper body or a bed box. A fabric cover helps a little bit but the cloth vibrating over the bed surface has poorer aero vs the hard shell.

Tom V.

[johnta1]

Any real corroborating data on the wagon Cd and the GP Cd?

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Any real corroborating data on the wagon Cd and the GP Cd?

Anyone who has ever tested anything in a wind tunnel would agree with my post.

A SUV goes thru the air cleaner vs an open bed pick-up truck.

(For the simple minded, above, the SUV is like a 4 door wagon and the open bed pick-up truck is not that bad once the swirl in the bed is established and the air off the roof hits the swirl and flies over the tailgate (never reaching the bed floor).

A bed cover is better than the swirl / tailgate up, and a hard shell cover is better than a soft cover. A cargo net is the poorest performer as you get drag on the bed, (no swirl) and turbulence at the back of the vehicle.

Lots of data out there, John

Just ONE article out of thousands out there to support my comments: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...au-1494-2.html Ford has far more accurate data from their own personal wind tunnels but I will not share that.

Tom V.

ps John, you are a LAZY idiot just trying to stir up chit.

[johnta1]

A SUV goes thru the air cleaner vs an open bed pick-up truck.

Read the gawd damn question?



I want the Cd of the wagon and the GP.

I already knew the truck thing is better, in fact I use one.
If you don't know the answer, just shut up.
Don't go spewing really off-topic BS to try and muddle the topic.



PS, I do have the data for them and you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

[johnta1]

Unfortunately the truth is the guys who are finding ways to do it really dont want to share either due to hard fought lessons and info or ridicule from self professed genius know it alls that have only read a website or copied what they think someone else did. Then claim its just physics as if fact and never learn a damn thing.

Basically same answer for you.
If you don't know the answer, don't spout off useless BS, stick to facts or real data.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Read the gawd damn question?



I want the Cd of the wagon and the GP.

I already knew the truck thing is better, in fact I use one.
If you don't know the answer, just shut up.
Don't go spewing really off-topic BS to try and muddle the topic.



PS, I do have the data for them and you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

John, since you have never done the job and can't possibly understand the data, why would I wish to confuse you any further. If you have the data, why are you asking me for the data? Why would I waste my time with your childish wants. Your posts are gibberish and make no sense. Your calculators are all copies of other people's work. Most are not correct to the degree that they are worth using.

How about some data on your Twin Turbo Dragster that you said you were going to build?
Still trying to sell the parts that you never used?

In the same time frame, I have been working on every generation of ECOBOOST and there are now 1,000,000 Ecoboost engines out there on the road. I do things, you talk and ask for data that means nothings. I wasted my time with you once, never again.

Tom V.

ps keep after them Mike, about the coatings, dyno corrections, etc.