[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Sorry to give that impression, maybe its the heads maybe it's something else, i don't know. But i do know i wouldn't be using a car with issues to back up an argument.

Nothing wrong with using a car that has issues to back up a point if the issues are pretty obviously not related to the point you are making. Its pretty obvious to most people that a car making more power but not gaining in ET or mph is not set up correctly in one way or another. Whether it is blowing off the tires, getting squirrely, converter or trans slipping or something else entirely. Sometimes its a combination of things.

Its also obvious to people who race that when you change a combo sometimes it takes time to get the car itself tuned to the new setup. Your example of gaining .5 and 10 mph might happen right off the bat...but it might not.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Nothing wrong with using a car that has issues to back up a point if the issues are pretty obviously not related to the point you are making. Its pretty obvious to most people that a car making more power but not gaining in ET or mph is not set up correctly in one way or another. Whether it is blowing off the tires, getting squirrely, converter or trans slipping or something else entirely. Sometimes its a combination of things.

Its also obvious to people who race that when you change a combo sometimes it takes time to get the car itself tuned to the new setup. Your example of gaining .5 and 10 mph might happen right off the bat...but it might not.

Or maybe the engine doesn't make the power, maybe the engine doesn't accelerate like it should. He was getting 1.0 60fts so im guessing he wasn't spinning and converter was at least working to that point. And it isn't hard to tell if a converter is out to lunch on the topend.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Or maybe the engine doesn't make the power, maybe the engine doesn't accelerate like it should. He was getting 1.0 60fts so im guessing he wasn't spinning and converter was at least working to that point. And it isn't hard to tell if a converter is out to lunch on the topend.

Like I've said, you still completely miss the point. Even a .2-.3 second and 3 mph increase is a pretty impressive number by itself....whether you believe in the 150 hp increase or not.

Not to mention you are throwing in a whole lot of "maybes", yet you sure act like you know its the heads.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Like I've said, you still completely miss the point. Even a .2-.3 second and 3 mph increase is a pretty impressive number by itself....whether you believe in the 150 hp increase or not.

Not to mention you are throwing in a whole lot of "maybes", yet you sure act like you know its the heads.

So no matter what he was hoping for or how much et/mph the parts change should have provided in et/mph. One should just be impressed that it picked up?? I guess if we are setting incredibly low standards then yes im impressed it picked up.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

So no matter what he was hoping for or how much et/mph the parts change should have provided in et/mph. One should just be impressed that it picked up?? I guess if we are setting incredibly low standards then yes im impressed it picked up.

Those increases are not low standards...they are actually fairly significant gains, and how do you know what he did or didnt expect? You also didn't allow for any improvement as the car gets sorted out.

Interesting that you don't seem to get either of those things.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Those increases are not low standards...they are actually fairly significant gains, and how do you know what he did or didnt expect? You also didn't allow for any improvement as the car gets sorted out.

Interesting that you don't seem to get either of those things.

It's just my opinion, that's all it is. I was more than will to leave it at that in post 995 on page 50, but Bill seemed like wanted to keep going, i had the time and zero to loss so here we are.

[Kelvin Poe]

Originally Posted by slowbird

He was getting 1.0 60fts so im guessing he wasn't spinning and converter was at least working to that point.

Wow, this thread is out of control. I haven't been on here much since getting back from Drag Week and I decide to go on tonight and see this.

I'm not interested in getting involved in this back and forth crap, but I at least wanted to correct a few wrong numbers. I have NEVER been 1.0 60ft in my car. I don't know where you pulled that number from. The best I ever went was 1.12, read my sig. I have been 1.07 before, but that was when a buddy let me drive his 67 Chevy II that went 4.60's in the 1/8.

As for the other numbers, the best ET my HP combo went was 8.38, the mph was usually 158-159. My CV-1 combo right out of the gate went 8.08 @ 165. So, that's 3 tenths and 6 mph. For whatever reason, my car would never mph as much as I thought it should, with either combo.

That's all I have to say, so carry on....

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Kelvin Poe

Wow, this thread is out of control. I haven't been on here much since getting back from Drag Week and I decide to go on tonight and see this.

I'm not interested in getting involved in this back and forth crap, but I at least wanted to correct a few wrong numbers. I have NEVER been 1.0 60ft in my car. I don't know where you pulled that number from. The best I ever went was 1.12, read my sig. I have been 1.07 before, but that was when a buddy let me drive his 67 Chevy II that went 4.60's in the 1/8.

As for the other numbers, the best ET my HP combo went was 8.38, the mph was usually 158-159. My CV-1 combo right out of the gate went 8.08 @ 165. So, that's 3 tenths and 6 mph. For whatever reason, my car would never mph as much as I thought it should, with either combo.

That's all I have to say, so carry on....

I stand corrected.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by slowbird

I stand corrected.

I have been out of the loop for a while. How heavy is Kelvin's car?

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by slowbird

I stand corrected.

Are you impressed now? you werent the other day arguing with Bill.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Are you impressed now? you werent the other day arguing with Bill.

Really? You want to start again?

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Really? You want to start again?

Sure what you got? Go for it!

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Are you impressed now? you werent the other day arguing with Bill.

... lol, now that's a really good question ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Nothing wrong with using a car that has issues to back up a point if the issues are pretty obviously not related to the point you are making. Its pretty obvious to most people that a car making more power but not gaining in ET or mph is not set up correctly in one way or another. Whether it is blowing off the tires, getting squirrely, converter or trans slipping or something else entirely. Sometimes its a combination of things.

Its also obvious to people who race that when you change a combo sometimes it takes time to get the car itself tuned to the new setup. Your example of gaining .5 and 10 mph might happen right off the bat...but it might not.

I agree it takes time.
Do you race?

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

I agree it takes time.
Do you race?

I have raced. I'm definitely not the most experienced racer. But none of what I've said requires an expert to know. Its pretty basic stuff. I really think what happened here is the racers spend time over on Yellowbullet. They get used to the crap they see over there, and how its done...then bring it back over here.

And the moderators have done a crappy job of keeping the forum a cool place to share experiences, knowledge, etc. At least in the race section. I get being competitive. I get banter and having fun. But guys...this isn't fun. Not the healthy kind.

I'm no tree hugger by any means. I spent time in a uniform doing some miserable things. I don't expect everyone to like everyone else or get along.

But have a little respect for others, and even yourselves.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

I have raced. I'm definitely not the most experienced racer. But none of what I've said requires an expert to know. Its pretty basic stuff. I really think what happened here is the racers spend time over on Yellowbullet. They get used to the crap they see over there, and how its done...then bring it back over here.

And the moderators have done a crappy job of keeping the forum a cool place to share experiences, knowledge, etc. At least in the race section. I get being competitive. I get banter and having fun. But guys...this isn't fun. Not the healthy kind.

I'm no tree hugger by any means. I spent time in a uniform doing some miserable things. I don't expect everyone to like everyone else or get along.

But have a little respect for others, and even yourselves.

The racers get tired of being told by the key board racers they're wrong. That's how it starts.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

The racers get tired of being told by the key board racers they're wrong. That's how it starts.

Like I said, it doesnt take a very experienced racer to get these very basic concepts. I have raced, but I'm not keyboard racing here. What I've stated again is basic. The gains you have described as unimpressive are in fact fairly impressive whether you believe 150 hp or not. Yes....150 hp SHOULD show more gains. Maybe with time they would have or would not have. Maybe he only gained 110 hp. Maybe it was only 60/

But that doesnt change the fact that Poe had a healthy, significantly faster car when he switched to CV-1 heads.

I think I've mentioned before I'm not a believer in any one head. I have E-heads I am happy with. Whats obvious is that Poe's Cv-1 heads were better on HIS engine than Poe's E-heads were.

THAT's what the results showed, and they showed it without question.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Like I said, it doesnt take a very experienced racer to get these very basic concepts. I have raced, but I'm not keyboard racing here. What I've stated again is basic. The gains you have described as unimpressive are in fact fairly impressive whether you believe 150 hp or not. Yes....150 hp SHOULD show more gains. Maybe with time they would have or would not have. Maybe he only gained 110 hp. Maybe it was only 60/

But that doesnt change the fact that Poe had a healthy, significantly faster car when he switched to CV-1 heads.

I think I've mentioned before I'm not a believer in any one head. I have E-heads I am happy with. Whats obvious is that Poe's Cv-1 heads were better on HIS engine than Poe's E-heads were.

THAT's what the results showed, and they showed it without question.

Sorry i wasn't calling you a keyboard racer.