[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Nothing wrong with using a car that has issues to back up a point if the issues are pretty obviously not related to the point you are making. Its pretty obvious to most people that a car making more power but not gaining in ET or mph is not set up correctly in one way or another. Whether it is blowing off the tires, getting squirrely, converter or trans slipping or something else entirely. Sometimes its a combination of things.

Its also obvious to people who race that when you change a combo sometimes it takes time to get the car itself tuned to the new setup. Your example of gaining .5 and 10 mph might happen right off the bat...but it might not.

Or maybe the engine doesn't make the power, maybe the engine doesn't accelerate like it should. He was getting 1.0 60fts so im guessing he wasn't spinning and converter was at least working to that point. And it isn't hard to tell if a converter is out to lunch on the topend.

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Im running exact same converter, exact same gear as i did when i made 150hp less horsepower. Zero changes and car picked up .5+ and 10mph. Maybe we did something wrong when we gained the 150hp??

You've made my point.
I changed from a street convertor to a race convertor changed launch technique a shock adjustment and gained 4mph and over .4 drop in ET.

NEVER changed anything motor related...
At the time I wasnt ready to buy a race convertor but someone's divorce created a deal I couldn't pass on. I hadn't changed because I drove on the street most anywhere. Later found the 8" worked better on the street than my street convertor. Surprised me.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... so you're saying nothing was done to the heads and manifold before and after ??? ...

... great, so how bout you stop talking to me like you think i'm an idiot, as it will save alot of time Brian ...

Ask my head porter all those questions.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Or maybe the engine doesn't make the power, maybe the engine doesn't accelerate like it should. He was getting 1.0 60fts so im guessing he wasn't spinning and converter was at least working to that point. And it isn't hard to tell if a converter is out to lunch on the topend.

Like I've said, you still completely miss the point. Even a .2-.3 second and 3 mph increase is a pretty impressive number by itself....whether you believe in the 150 hp increase or not.

Not to mention you are throwing in a whole lot of "maybes", yet you sure act like you know its the heads.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Nothing wrong with using a car that has issues to back up a point if the issues are pretty obviously not related to the point you are making. Its pretty obvious to most people that a car making more power but not gaining in ET or mph is not set up correctly in one way or another. Whether it is blowing off the tires, getting squirrely, converter or trans slipping or something else entirely. Sometimes its a combination of things.

Its also obvious to people who race that when you change a combo sometimes it takes time to get the car itself tuned to the new setup. Your example of gaining .5 and 10 mph might happen right off the bat...but it might not.

I agree it takes time.
Do you race?

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Ask my head porter all those questions.

... took you long enough genius, i knew you didn't know that information, which proves you've been talking straight outta' yur' azz' bud, you don't have a clue why your motor did what it did, no more than why Poe's motor did what it did ...

... but it's also funny you reference that Brian, because isn't that the very same head porter that ported Kelvin Poe's HP's that Calvin's CV-1's replaced, and also the very same guy that ported your HP's ???? ... HUMMMMMMMMMMMM

... the very same heads that Calvin's CV-1's made more power on the dyno and also out ran them on the track the very first weekend out after the topend change ??? ... and you're ironicly unimpressed ??? ...

... the answer to who ported both sets of HP's here is yes !!!!! it is the same guy Brian, which obviously reveals your real reason for all of your BS disappointment towards Poe's results, wow what a phukin' miracle !!!! ...

... i think you should order a set of Calvin's CV-1's so you can go even faster ...

... lol, you led, i followed boy ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Like I've said, you still completely miss the point. Even a .2-.3 second and 3 mph increase is a pretty impressive number by itself....whether you believe in the 150 hp increase or not.

Not to mention you are throwing in a whole lot of "maybes", yet you sure act like you know its the heads.

So no matter what he was hoping for or how much et/mph the parts change should have provided in et/mph. One should just be impressed that it picked up?? I guess if we are setting incredibly low standards then yes im impressed it picked up.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

I agree it takes time.
Do you race?

I have raced. I'm definitely not the most experienced racer. But none of what I've said requires an expert to know. Its pretty basic stuff. I really think what happened here is the racers spend time over on Yellowbullet. They get used to the crap they see over there, and how its done...then bring it back over here.

And the moderators have done a crappy job of keeping the forum a cool place to share experiences, knowledge, etc. At least in the race section. I get being competitive. I get banter and having fun. But guys...this isn't fun. Not the healthy kind.

I'm no tree hugger by any means. I spent time in a uniform doing some miserable things. I don't expect everyone to like everyone else or get along.

But have a little respect for others, and even yourselves.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

So no matter what he was hoping for or how much et/mph the parts change should have provided in et/mph. One should just be impressed that it picked up?? I guess if we are setting incredibly low standards then yes im impressed it picked up.

Those increases are not low standards...they are actually fairly significant gains, and how do you know what he did or didnt expect? You also didn't allow for any improvement as the car gets sorted out.

Interesting that you don't seem to get either of those things.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... took you long enough genius, i knew you didn't know that information, which proves you've been talking straight outta' yur' azz' bud, you don't have a clue why your motor did what it did, no more than why Poe's motor did what it did ...

... but it's also funny you reference that Brian, because isn't that the very same head porter that ported Kelvin Poe's HP's that Calvin's CV-1's replaced, and also the very same guy that ported your HP's ???? ... HUMMMMMMMMMMMM

... the very same heads that Calvin's CV-1's made more power on the dyno and also out ran them on the track the very first weekend out after the topend change ??? ... and you're ironicly unimpressed ??? ...

... the answer to who ported both sets of HP's here is yes !!!!! it is the same guy Brian, which obviously reveals your real reason for all of your BS disappointment towards Poe's results, wow what a phukin' miracle !!!! ...

... i think you should order a set of Calvin's CV-1's so you can go even faster ...

... lol, you led, i followed boy ...

I know exactly why my engine gained. Im way more involved in my engine than you think.
This honestly has nothing to do with him. Im sure you won't believe that because you think this is a "war", lol.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

I know exactly why my engine gained. Im way more involved in my engine than you think.
This honestly has nothing to do with him. Im sure you won't believe that because you think this is a "war", lol.

... then answer the questions Brian ... and i'm sure it takes a ton of effort to write that check, well checks in your case ...

... so do tell, with all your input, were you the one determining how you wanted your manifold cut apart, ported and put back together ?? ...

... were you the one deciding on lifter offset, port CSA and valve size ?? and even port shapes for that matter ?? ...

... target compression ?? ...

... lobe majors and overlap ?? ...

... piston details, round or eliptical, full skirt or semi, prostock ring pack maybe ??? ...

... yeah, it's already painfully obvious, you do not like being asked questions, but you do not have a problem asking questions of others ...

... i can assure you that you're not qualified to do so, regardless of your opinion Brian ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

I have raced. I'm definitely not the most experienced racer. But none of what I've said requires an expert to know. Its pretty basic stuff. I really think what happened here is the racers spend time over on Yellowbullet. They get used to the crap they see over there, and how its done...then bring it back over here.

And the moderators have done a crappy job of keeping the forum a cool place to share experiences, knowledge, etc. At least in the race section. I get being competitive. I get banter and having fun. But guys...this isn't fun. Not the healthy kind.

I'm no tree hugger by any means. I spent time in a uniform doing some miserable things. I don't expect everyone to like everyone else or get along.

But have a little respect for others, and even yourselves.

The racers get tired of being told by the key board racers they're wrong. That's how it starts.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... then answer the questions Brian ...

Why? What does it prove?

[pontibeast]

After reading this entire thread the only thing I can say is

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That is all, now back to the polite discussion

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Those increases are not low standards...they are actually fairly significant gains, and how do you know what he did or didnt expect? You also didn't allow for any improvement as the car gets sorted out.

Interesting that you don't seem to get either of those things.

It's just my opinion, that's all it is. I was more than will to leave it at that in post 995 on page 50, but Bill seemed like wanted to keep going, i had the time and zero to loss so here we are.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by pontibeast

After reading this entire thread the only thing I can say is

[IMG][/IMG]


That is all, now back to the polite discussion

Lol!!!!!

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

The racers get tired of being told by the key board racers they're wrong. That's how it starts.

Like I said, it doesnt take a very experienced racer to get these very basic concepts. I have raced, but I'm not keyboard racing here. What I've stated again is basic. The gains you have described as unimpressive are in fact fairly impressive whether you believe 150 hp or not. Yes....150 hp SHOULD show more gains. Maybe with time they would have or would not have. Maybe he only gained 110 hp. Maybe it was only 60/

But that doesnt change the fact that Poe had a healthy, significantly faster car when he switched to CV-1 heads.

I think I've mentioned before I'm not a believer in any one head. I have E-heads I am happy with. Whats obvious is that Poe's Cv-1 heads were better on HIS engine than Poe's E-heads were.

THAT's what the results showed, and they showed it without question.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Why? What does it prove?

... really ??? ... you can honestly say that after all the questions you ask ??? ...

... wow ... you need help man ...

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by pontibeast

After reading this entire thread the only thing I can say is

[IMG][/IMG]


That is all, now back to the polite discussion

That's called breakfast in some places

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Like I said, it doesnt take a very experienced racer to get these very basic concepts. I have raced, but I'm not keyboard racing here. What I've stated again is basic. The gains you have described as unimpressive are in fact fairly impressive whether you believe 150 hp or not. Yes....150 hp SHOULD show more gains. Maybe with time they would have or would not have. Maybe he only gained 110 hp. Maybe it was only 60/

But that doesnt change the fact that Poe had a healthy, significantly faster car when he switched to CV-1 heads.

I think I've mentioned before I'm not a believer in any one head. I have E-heads I am happy with. Whats obvious is that Poe's Cv-1 heads were better on HIS engine than Poe's E-heads were.

THAT's what the results showed, and they showed it without question.

Sorry i wasn't calling you a keyboard racer.