[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by S/st 54

I've seen a 4.02 in our lane turn on a win light vs a 3.86 in the other lane.
I've also seen a 3.84 in our lane turn on a win light vs a 3.688 in the other lane...

I'm not knockin what they are doin...IMO
The tree just eliminates all the drama if someone jumps..

Chief should come to the track and give us a try...
I got the email from MIR I guess they're having a outlaws race in Memphis same weekend as The throwdown...Good Luck to Justin!

I guess you don't watch the show...chief has some perfect reaction times off the flashlight so that is not an issue. He also tree'd Richard Rawlings pro driver at the track in the hemi monster...thing is a pro-tree is predictable to a point...flashlight isn't...

I understand the slower car winning on RT deal very well, have done it a bunch since I began racing in the late 70's...

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

I guess you don't watch the show...chief has some perfect reaction times off the flashlight so that is not an issue. He also tree'd Richard Rawlings pro driver at the track in the hemi monster...thing is a pro-tree is predictable to a point...flashlight isn't...

I understand the slower car winning on RT deal very well, have done it a bunch since I began racing in the late 70's...

I was watching on You Tube a big street heads up race with Chief and he was getting his A$$ handed to him a few times on the flashlight, can't remember what race but it was recent. Not trying to knock him just stating what I saw.
Chief is one of us racers that are trading in his e-heads to go quicker!
GTO George

[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

I was watching on You Tube a big street heads up race with Chief and he was getting his A$$ handed to him a few times on the flashlight, can't remember what race but it was recent. Not trying to knock him just stating what I saw.
Chief is one of us racers that are trading in his e-heads to go quicker!
GTO George

I hope he likes the new heads when he switches but 3 second 1/8th miles are going to be hard to improve upon and he might should just keep the E's laying around the shop in case he decides he wants to go fast again...

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

I hope he likes the new heads when he switches but 3 second 1/8th miles are going to be hard to improve upon and he might should just keep the E's laying around the shop in case he decides he wants to go fast again...

Even if he doesn't hold onto his old Eheads he can always order another pair from Butler for around 3k. I believe JB has them in stock. Not a bad deal.....3k for a three second head.

[johnta1]

Not a bad deal.....3k for a three second head.

He only has $3000 in his Eheads?

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by johnta1

He only has $3000 in his Eheads?

I'm not his banker, but he runs standard pushrod location Edelbrock heads and that's the going rate.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Even if he doesn't hold onto his old Eheads he can always order another pair from Butler for around 3k. I believe JB has them in stock. Not a bad deal.....3k for a three second head.

He can also put a Chevy motor in his car.....but not likely! LOL!


GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Even if he doesn't hold onto his old Eheads he can always order another pair from Butler for around 3k. I believe JB has them in stock. Not a bad deal.....3k for a three second head.

he can get a set of KRE HP's that is 330 CFM from KRE (best bang for your buck)!


GTO George

[JSPONT]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

For $1,400 he can get a set of KRE HP's that is 330 CFM from KRE (best bang for your buck)!


GTO George

Most guys on here need 2 heads George 1497 each + shipping

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

he can get a set of KRE HP's that is 330 CFM from KRE (best bang for your buck)!


GTO George

That's a good idea, George. How many times have those heads ran 3.90?

[johnta1]

How many 330 cfm any Pontiac head ran a 3.90?

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

That's a good idea, George. How many times have those heads ran 3.90?

Point being IS when you are starting off with a head thats out of the box 330 cfm it would cost less to get it to 350 cfm as oppose to a head thats is 280 cfm out of the box.........HENSE the HP would be the BETTER choice for "Bang for your BUCK"!
.........and just for sh_ts & giggles how many of those 3.90's has Chief run? Wasn't it with his PRO MOD Firebird (you know the one he ran at INDY in PRO MOD)?


GTO George

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

I hope he likes the new heads when he switches but 3 second 1/8th miles are going to be hard to improve upon and he might should just keep the E's laying around the shop in case he decides he wants to go fast again...

Who knows if he will ever run the new heads. Could have been using them to tweak a sponsor.
I would have liked him to just do a real 410cfm wide port. 50-60 cfm is a ton more air with two big hair dryers.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Who knows if he will ever run the new heads. Could have been using them to tweak a sponsor.
I would have liked him to just do a real 410cfm wide port. 50-60 cfm is a ton more air with two big hair dryers.

Since you would like to see it so much. Why don't you just sent him your 410 cfm heads to run?

Stan

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Since you would like to see it so much. Why don't you just sent him your 410 cfm heads to run?

Stan

Its 408. Chief has more than enough money to run any head he wants. Doubt 63ccs would help him anyway.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Who knows if he will ever run the new heads. Could have been using them to tweak a sponsor.
I would have liked him to just do a real 410cfm wide port. 50-60 cfm is a ton more air with two big hair dryers.

Screw the Vanishing E-Heads! Why not a REAL Head like a 450-520 DCI RA5! Yea BABY! DCIRA5TTF!


GTO George

[JSPONT]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Screw the Vanishing E-Heads! Why not a REAL Head like a 450-520 DCI RA5! Yea BABY! DCIRA5TTF!


GTO George

$$$$$ that"s why. There are 5% on here looking for max performance. Most are street/strip cars or stock restored cars. E heads been around so long and so many miles some are just probably worn out!!!!! no other aluminum head can say that.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Screw the Vanishing E-Heads! Why not a REAL Head like a 450-520 DCI RA5! Yea BABY! DCIRA5TTF!


GTO George

George, why do you keep throwing that "vanishing" word out there. In the hopes the more you say it that stupid people will believe it ?
The E head will always and forever be the most popular aftermarket aluminum Pontiac head. Any other head does not have the slightest chance of beating them. Even if you did not count the E heads sold in the past, just the ones sold from here on out the E head will be the most popular by a wide margin.

Maybe your sucking up will work. But here is the problem. Even if you get a great deal on RAV heads it will be VERY expensive. New expensive cam, intake AND headers.
For performance use, they need to prove they are a step up from the less expensive heads. E heads, High Ports, Super Wedges and Tigers. Cv-1s (thats easy)
More NA performance, NA is KING.
Even beating the E head record of 1200HP will be a tall order. It will be tough, there is a obstruction in the port. Danny E has a shot at making good power, lets see how he does.
But the heads do need to prove, money wise that they can straight up beat a standard inline head. Otherwise they are a very nostalgic, cool part that makes very good power, just not the most.
Thats not a bad thing.

Now if you want to talk real boosted power, the Wilcox RAV heads are the ones. They have made FAR more more power than Chief has ever made. Or anyone else. Its a true Pontiac race head. Nothing nostalgic about it, just a straight up inline valve Pontiac RACE head.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

George, why do you keep throwing that "vanishing" word out there.

........Because oh "twin of Gach" the FAST cars (something YOU know NOTHING about) are trading in their old e-heads for something else (anything else) to go QUICKER (FACT)!


GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Maybe your sucking up will work. But here is the problem. Even if you get a great deal on RAV heads it will be VERY expensive. New expensive cam, intake AND headers.
For performance use, they need to prove they are a step up from the less expensive heads. E heads, High Ports, Super Wedges and Tigers. Cv-1s (thats easy)

Me Sucking up........not likely, just telling it like I see it!
RA5 expensive ............"I don't think so Tim" ........anyone (that is stepping up) and buying a set of 370cfm of larger heads will need to buy another set of large tube headers (no one starts off with 2 1/4" primarys), a larger camshaft (to take advantage of the better flowing heads) and a better intake (P4B just aint going to work)! LOL DCI RA5 heads as cast start off at 380 CFM with standard rockers (no rocker shaft needed) can't do that with e-heads! So all that BS you and your TWIN over on the PZ web site is just smoke & mirrors, all those items will have to be bought no matter what performance heads a racer steps up to!
NOW as for those H & M heads (that no one has) who wants to mortgage their house when there are other performance heads that will go 500+cfm (Warp, DCI RA5, etc.) that are FAR more affordable........just saying!

GTO George