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RPM is singular...not plural..
So you are going grammar police with me ????? People know what I meant. I understand is singular, what I don't need is someone policing me over something trivial, not meaningful at all.

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Old 06-26-2018, 01:06 PM
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So you are going grammar police with me ????? People know what I meant. I understand is singular, what I don't need is someone policing me over something trivial, not meaningful at all.
It's more of a technical correction..

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So you are going grammar police with me ????? People know what I meant. I understand is singular, what I don't need is someone policing me over something trivial, not meaningful at all.
.... oh really, like the difference between 474c.i. & 475c.i. ???? ... God you're such an idiot ...

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Old 06-27-2018, 12:40 AM
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.... oh really, like the difference between 474c.i. & 475c.i. ???? ... God you're such an idiot ...
I think I have figured out why no one buys your Krackatoa garbage. The vomit that comes out of your mouth.
There are other porters who have posted here, and none of them, not one spews the crap that you do.
You have to give that ****e away just to have a chance of putting it on a real race car.
Those piles were circling the drain after Brians crack job. You had better hope no one else has a severe problem like that or your deal is done. I mean DONE.

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Old 06-27-2018, 12:54 AM
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... no one buys your Krackatoa garbage...
I believe that quite a few of us don't mind paying Bill for his expertise.

"Grammar cop" again... The Opel brand dates back to the nineteen-twenties, GM's first German subsidiary. (Isn't opal a precious stone?)

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I believe that quite a few of us don't mind paying Bill for his expertise.
Then there are those that go here...you do understand dragncar, Bill is the port designer at Sonny's right.... just have a look around..

https://www.sonnysracingengines.com

What are your credentials?

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Sonny's customers are the deep-checkbook folks who want the best and can go wherever they want to get it. That says a lot more useful information than no-cost internet chatter.

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Then there are those that go here...you do understand dragncar, Bill is the port designer at Sonny's right.... just have a look around..

https://www.sonnysracingengines.com

What are your credentials?
Sonny’s was good before Bill got there.

If he is that good he should start his own business and rotate the earth.

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Old 06-28-2018, 07:57 PM
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Then there are those that go here...you do understand dragncar, Bill is the port designer at Sonny's right.... just have a look around..

https://www.sonnysracingengines.com

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Old 06-27-2018, 03:31 PM
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I believe that quite a few of us don't mind paying Bill for his expertise.

"Grammar cop" again... The Opel brand dates back to the nineteen-twenties, GM's first German subsidiary. (Isn't opal a precious stone?)
You pulled a misspelling out of another thread ? OK cool.
Not saying Twin cannot port a head, not at all. He did not design the CV. I am sure he is trying to fix it.
What I am trying to say is he would be far better off just staying off the boards with his vile mouth.
I do not see any other business people/porters coming on here and behaving like he does. Throwing insults and names around. They stay out of it, its beneath them. Nothing to gain, can only lose. They let their work/products speak for itself.
And I am not talking about giving away his Sonny stuff. I am sure people pay big bucks for it.
Never met Twin. But I am POSITIVE he treats others around him like he does folks here. Yells at people, calls them names and hangs up the phone. Then calls them up the next day like no big deal. Real piece of work.
A CV engine with twin turbos WILL make big power. That is not in question. Marty made 1600HP+ with 265cfm iron D ports. The question is reliability. Its never been done before with that head so they have some work in front of them. And that is not a knock, simply true. Any 2500+ HP CV engines around running run after run ?
Me and Scott, who I respect like you, went back and forth over something small and trivial and it was over. Then he wants to jump in calling names.
He is better off staying above it all.

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Old 06-27-2018, 05:02 PM
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Never met Twin. But I am POSITIVE he treats others around him like he does folks here. Yells at people, calls them names and hangs up the phone. Then calls them up the next day like no big deal. Real piece of work.
You never met the man. I have as have many others. I've never been admonished, yelled at or even called names.
If you knew Bill ( or open your mind a bit) you would find that if he's yelling or name calling there is more to it than is apparent to you. Bill has no fear of calling things as they really are. No BS, no lies, no wish sandwiches or wishy washed politically correct statements.

AND... He is NOT TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING THATS NOT BROKEN!!! Like any GOOD porter he obviously is going to improve things over as cast, but that doesn't mean it's flawed.

After the first 100 sets sold and enough demand for another run the cv1.1 came to be. Basically the same basic port shape but downsized a tid for smaller stock blocks with more "meat" on outer port walls to allow flows far beyond original castings WITHOUT WELDING. There are CNC port options that Bill developed and digitized years ago . Btw it's not as simple as just "magnifying" a smaller port.

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You never met the man. I have as have many others. I've never been admonished, yelled at or even called names.
If you knew Bill ( or open your mind a bit) you would find that if he's yelling or name calling there is more to it than is apparent to you. Bill has no fear of calling things as they really are. No BS, no lies, no wish sandwiches or wishy washed politically correct statements.

AND... He is NOT TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING THATS NOT BROKEN!!! Like any GOOD porter he obviously is going to improve things over as cast, but that doesn't mean it's flawed.

After the first 100 sets sold and enough demand for another run the cv1.1 came to be. Basically the same basic port shape but downsized a tid for smaller stock blocks with more "meat" on outer port walls to allow flows far beyond original castings WITHOUT WELDING. There are CNC port options that Bill developed and digitized years ago . Btw it's not as simple as just "magnifying" a smaller port.

100 sets sold, that’s awesome.

They just decided to make the port smaller just because?

You drink the Koolaid.

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What I am trying to say is he would be far better off just staying off the boards with his vile mouth.
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And your mouth never stops running. What's your point?


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You pulled a misspelling out of another thread ? OK cool.
Not saying Twin cannot port a head, not at all. He did not design the CV. I am sure he is trying to fix it.
What I am trying to say is he would be far better off just staying off the boards with his vile mouth.
I do not see any other business people/porters coming on here and behaving like he does. Throwing insults and names around. They stay out of it, its beneath them. Nothing to gain, can only lose. They let their work/products speak for itself.
And I am not talking about giving away his Sonny stuff. I am sure people pay big bucks for it.
Never met Twin. But I am POSITIVE he treats others around him like he does folks here. Yells at people, calls them names and hangs up the phone. Then calls them up the next day like no big deal. Real piece of work.
A CV engine with twin turbos WILL make big power. That is not in question. Marty made 1600HP+ with 265cfm iron D ports. The question is reliability. Its never been done before with that head so they have some work in front of them. And that is not a knock, simply true. Any 2500+ HP CV engines around running run after run ?
Me and Scott, who I respect like you, went back and forth over something small and trivial and it was over. Then he wants to jump in calling names.
He is better off staying above it all.
... Good Lord you are really out there, all you do is trash the CV-1's and just about anyone attached to them, I've been absent from this forum for a very long time until recently, and you never shut up, you just keep going with your nosense, it's hilarious you say you don't see any other Head Porters in here defending themselves or a product ??? Lol, maybe that's because you only trash the CV-1 heads genius, try doing what you have been doing with your mouth at someone else for as long as you've been doing it and see what happens ...

... It's even more hilarious you think I'm being vile, posting vomit and such when all I've called you is an idiot, so my advice would be simple, if you don't want to be referred to as an idiot, then maybe you shouldn't be acting like one for near as long as you have hummm ?? ...

... But I'm sure you'll come up with something to blame others for your actions ...

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Old 06-28-2018, 05:51 PM
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... Good Lord you are really out there, all you do is trash the CV-1's and just about anyone attached to them, I've been absent from this forum for a very long time until recently, and you never shut up, you just keep going with your nosense, it's hilarious you say you don't see any other Head Porters in here defending themselves or a product ??? Lol, maybe that's because you only trash the CV-1 heads genius, try doing what you have been doing with your mouth at someone else for as long as you've been doing it and see what happens ...

... It's even more hilarious you think I'm being vile, posting vomit and such when all I've called you is an idiot, so my advice would be simple, if you don't want to be referred to as an idiot, then maybe you shouldn't be acting like one for near as long as you have hummm ?? ...

... But I'm sure you'll come up with something to blame others for your actions ...
Prove the naysayers wrong Bill. Its about how you treat people, not me either.
Just make them things make big power and live and you can say shove it to everyone who has doubted it.
Then you might get another casting run. That's the goal isn't it ?
I hope Chief runs very fast BTW.

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With all do respect, 9.7 to 10.00 car is not what most are talking about here. That is an average street car now.
Street Outlaw cars can run a high 3 second pass in the 1/8, that is a 6 second 1/4.

With a Pontiac, when you are 7's and below that is a real fast race Pontiac.
This is the race section. I have no dog in this fight but the plumber's car you speak of runs 7's. Few on here should comment unless you are one of the elite. That is just my feeling, so I have no comment on what head is the best. Each head manufacturer has some fast cars.

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I think I have figured out why no one buys your Krackatoa garbage. The vomit that comes out of your mouth.
There are other porters who have posted here, and none of them, not one spews the crap that you do.
You have to give that ****e away just to have a chance of putting it on a real race car.
Those piles were circling the drain after Brians crack job. You had better hope no one else has a severe problem like that or your deal is done. I mean DONE.
... Lmao, I thought my post was relative and very on point ...

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I think I have figured out why no one buys your Krackatoa garbage. The vomit that comes out of your mouth.
There are other porters who have posted here, and none of them, not one spews the crap that you do.
You have to give that ****e away just to have a chance of putting it on a real race car.
Those piles were circling the drain after Brians crack job. You had better hope no one else has a severe problem like that or your deal is done. I mean DONE.
Burr under your saddle?

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For the life of me I couldn't understand why logic, reason and civil talk didn't work to inform the ECM (perfectly chosen name as relates to criminal behavior) of facts and intentions.

Then I came across these two photographs which explained it all.

Sorry for trying to be civil.
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Sonny's New Pro Mod 5.300" head. (emphasis on the word "new")
700 cfm
$21,400 a pair.

Nice stuff for the big checkbook customers.

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