[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Yes Picketts did on that engine at that time yes. Looks like Jeff's post says i am correct.

... so basically from that testing the CV-1's were worth about 1.5 tenths over the Picket HP's, and Kelvin Poe's Hill Performance CV-1's were worth about 3 tenths over his DB HP's ?? ... Correct ???

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

It has to do with air speed and csa.....lol

... gosh darn it, where's my Plumbers Manual !!!!!! ...

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... lol, yeah exactly just like the time you absolutely trashed Robin Robert's CV-1 car for over a year, and you were gonna this and that to his CV-what motor, and then we all make the trip to Norwalk that year to race you, only to hear you say something very similar in the staging lanes to Robin ...

... "" Man, you go on ahead, i ain't got nothing for this car, you know that"" ...

... then after Robin basically said WTF ?? What about all that trash you were talking man ?? ...

... you said ""man, that's just the internet man, you know how that chit goes, it's just the internet man"" ...

... yeah, it really is all in good fun 10yrs later right Jack ?? ...

... all we want to know is are you coming to Norwalk this year with your car ?? ... because we are ... please insert your BS excuses below ...

No you have it twisted again.

I ran 8.38 two weeks before Norwalk, changed the front springs throwing the suspension out of sorts. Robin only ran high 40s at Norwalk.
I told Robin I could not race him because I had to get the suspension taken care of.

Chit, he never even got that CVwhat junk in the 7s

Yea, it’s been 10 years of CV1 propaganda.
A lot of BS and talk but nothing to show for it!

Didn’t Robin just sell one of those POS CVwhat motors a few days ago?
I guess he has a few?

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... so basically from that testing the CV-1's were worth about 1.5 tenths over the Picket HP's, and Kelvin Poe's Hill Performance CV-1's were worth about 3 tenths over his DB HP's ?? ... Correct ???

Sure. But Kelvin's wasn't a straight up swap, correct? Things were changed besides just the heads and intake

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... gosh darn it, where's my Plumbers Manual !!!!!! ...

You would probably be better off if you had one.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Yes Picketts did on that engine at that time yes. Looks like Jeff's post says i am correct.

A tenth faster for 50+ more cfm is pretty sad.

[LiL Jack]

[QUOTE=Anderson Port Development;5901946]... it is really difficult reading your posts, as you are all over the place with your rhetoric, one minute it's all laughs and crap about CV's can't even beat Eheads or HP's then you turn right around and say the exact opposite ??? ...

... let me be crystal clear to you sir, EVERY SINGLE TIME CV's have replaced a set of heads, regardless of what they replaced, EHeads, Iron Heads, High Port Heads or even Tiger heads, the car went faster, or it made more power on the dyno, and that is a 1000% FACT !!!!!!!! ...

... even including Brian's Procharged 484c.i. combo with BES ported Eheads, which increased HP by almost 190hp !!!!! with an as cast Gen 1 CV-1 head and manifold ... so i'm guessing those Eheads were jacked up before BES ported those too ??? ...

... you seriously need to stop cutting your own throat with this nonsense, so how bout we focus on the applications the CV-1's have actually been tested and compared to vs the applications that they have not yet been tested and compared to ??? ...

... in your world you would have everyone believe simply because they haven't been used on a max effort NA build, or a bad boy Butler or BigChief Twin Turbo build, that they can't be competitive on a build of these kind, which is absolutely retarded given the track record the heads have gained so far ...

... but even after multiple times i've posted this information you still finish with this retarded BS ??? [QUOTE]((((((((((((I take much joy when they can not beat a aluminum PMD RAIV type head.)))))That’s a lot of BS on Brian’s motor.


The boost on each motor wasn’t even close!!!
But that doesn’t fit your BS propaganda does it?

[Jack Ferris]

[QUOTE=slowbird;5901968]Sure. But Kelvin's wasn't a straight up swap, correct? Things were changed besides just the heads and intake[/QUOTE

I know there were issues with the old cam because I wanted to buy it with the rest of the top end package. I ended up buying another cam which I believe was the one he was running in the new combo. Other than the LSA there was not a lot of variation between the 2.

[Anderson Port Development]

[QUOTE=LiL Jack;5901972][QUOTE=Anderson Port Development;5901946]... it is really difficult reading your posts, as you are all over the place with your rhetoric, one minute it's all laughs and crap about CV's can't even beat Eheads or HP's then you turn right around and say the exact opposite ??? ...

... let me be crystal clear to you sir, EVERY SINGLE TIME CV's have replaced a set of heads, regardless of what they replaced, EHeads, Iron Heads, High Port Heads or even Tiger heads, the car went faster, or it made more power on the dyno, and that is a 1000% FACT !!!!!!!! ...

... even including Brian's Procharged 484c.i. combo with BES ported Eheads, which increased HP by almost 190hp !!!!! with an as cast Gen 1 CV-1 head and manifold ... so i'm guessing those Eheads were jacked up before BES ported those too ??? ...

... you seriously need to stop cutting your own throat with this nonsense, so how bout we focus on the applications the CV-1's have actually been tested and compared to vs the applications that they have not yet been tested and compared to ??? ...

... in your world you would have everyone believe simply because they haven't been used on a max effort NA build, or a bad boy Butler or BigChief Twin Turbo build, that they can't be competitive on a build of these kind, which is absolutely retarded given the track record the heads have gained so far ...

... but even after multiple times i've posted this information you still finish with this retarded BS ???

((((((((((((I take much joy when they can not beat a aluminum PMD RAIV type head.)))))

That’s a lot of BS on Brian’s motor.

The boost on each motor wasn’t even close!!!
But that doesn’t fit your BS propaganda does it?

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""... lol, the ET's at the track first time out with the CV-1's vs the BES E-Heads tells the story now doesn't it plumber ?? ...""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

""""""""""""""""""""""""""""... that car was considerably faster and you know it ... and the heads were as cast lmao ... but oh wait a minute, what copy/paste posts do we have below Mr. Plumber ????? .... NO WAY !!!! Say it isn't so !!!!! LMAO ...""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

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Talking Dyno results...477 cid Pontiac w/ ATI F-2
Dyno results

Well, I went to BES last Wed. and dyno'd my motor. The motor is a 477cid, IA2 block, 9:1 compression, e-heads. Here are the results:
NA
614 HP @ 6300rpm
590 TQ @ 4700rpm
Procharger F-2
1100 HP @ 6400rpm
895 TQ @ 6400rpm

The motor still has alot left. These numbers were with 20 degrees of timing. I didn't want to put anymore timing in it because the motor kept going lean. The motor was making{{{{{{{ 22-23 pounds of boost }}}}}}}}}@ 6400rpm and I didn't want to push it any further. I think the lean condition was a combination of fuel supply and carb issues. I told CSU that I was only going to make 15 pounds of boost and it made 10#s before it even hit the redline. The redline is 7600rpm and I used c16 gas. The CSU carb is kick ass, those guys really know what they are doing. I'm going to put a bigger pulley on the blower to lower the boost, so that I can put somemore timing in the motor. I'm figuring I should probably see another 200+ HP gain when I put the bigger pulley on and give it more timing.
I'd like to give a special thanks to the following people: Tony Bischoff and his crew at BES for an awesome motor, Kevin from CSU for a kick ass carb, Mark & Wade from BOP Engineering for bracketry for the F-2, Bruce Maichle for his insight and connecting me to the right people, and everyone who has helped me make this project a reality.
Sorry for the short post, but I'm at work and can't post all the details right now.
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Default I took my motor to the dyno yesterday with the CV-1's and...
IT PERFORMED FLAWLESSLY!!! We made over 25 hits on the dyno and had ZERO issues with the heads and valvetrain! It should be noted that these heads were out of the box and had no port work done to the intake or exhaust.
I first would like to thank several companies and people for their support and great products! Luhn Performance Inc., Roland Racing, P-dude, Rhodes Custom Auto, New Era Racecraft, BES, ML, Tom Vaught, Mike Cerminaro, and Jeff Kinsler.
So here's the story...
Mike C. and I drove out to New Era Michigan, which was a 13 hour trip. We drove through Thursday night and arrived at New Era Racecraft on Friday morning. Steve and Kyle took over from there and began making all of the necessary brackets and pieces so that a pontiac could be fitted to their dyno (If you are in need of a dyno and you are in near them or even if you are not GO THERE. Super, super nice guys and very knowledgable.). If you have a forced induction motor, it's the only place to dyno your motor. The information that they have access to on their dyno is second to none! Once the motor was mounted, we did the break-in and heat cycle on the motor. We finished that up around lunch time and everyone went and got some food while Mike and I changed the oil, checked the valvetrain, and re-torqued the heads. Once everything looked good, we began to do our pulls.
The first few pulls were done in short sweeps to check everything out (AFR's blower brackets, belts, oil pressure, boost etc.). Steve did not print out every pull, just my best one, so I don't have all of the numbers. Once we had a good baseline and changed a few things to Mike's carb (dual needle seat) to fit my motor (I brought my carb, but Steve said it was probably a waste of time to try! LOL) we started doing full pulls. We tried ALOT new things and of course the typical jet and timing changes. So here's the numbers:

HP: 1273.8 @ 7200rpm
TQ: 975.9 @ 6800rpm

Steve and Tom V. got that carb so consistant that the AFR's only varied .5 thru the entire pull. They started out at 11.9 and finished out at 12.3 (it hit 12.4 once, then went back down to 12.3). {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Peak boost was 23.5lbs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}, BSFC average was .53, and the average AFR was 12.0. We were going to try another jet change and let the blower cool down after that this pull, but we just ran out of time (last dyno pull was at 8pm). The blower was very hot (you couldn't even touch it) because we were running the crap out of the motor, so it had a major case of heat sink. We believe that between the jet change, letting the blower cool down completely (enough to simulate what the temp would have been between rounds), and something else, the dyno would have seen numbers in the 1300hp-1350hp range. But shoulda, woulda, coulda...I'll just have to show it can run that number at the track!

We wanted to see what the coated pistons looked like after the runs, so we tore the top end down on the one side and the pistons looked perfect! It is definately a worth while investment to get your pistons coated! Upon further inspection of the valvetrain everything performed like it was supposed to. I have to admit that I was concerned about having a pushrod that was almost 10" long in there, but there was no issues.
The newly modified brackets from Luhn Performance Inc. were incredible! I put a brand new blower belt on at the beginning of the day and when I looked at it throughout the day and at the end, it looked just like it did when it was new in the box! The brackets had next to zero, if not zero flex! My old brackets had alot of flex and would chew up the belts all the time. The new adjustment tensioner was awesome, very easy to use and you can adjust the belt tension with one hand! Thanks again LPI!
Once the motor was loaded onto my truck, Mike and I started the 13 hour trek back home! What a freakin' crazy three days it has been...but well worth it! Mike and I were up for 54 hours straight and I had to get some rest before I posted.
I have a couple of videos of the dyno pulls that I will try and get posted up within the next day or so.
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[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

A tenth faster for 50+ more cfm is pretty sad.

... man, you gotta sell me one of those plumber manuals dude ...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

No you have it twisted again.

I ran 8.38 two weeks before Norwalk, changed the front springs throwing the suspension out of sorts. Robin only ran high 40s at Norwalk.
I told Robin I could not race him because I had to get the suspension taken care of.

Chit, he never even got that CVwhat junk in the 7s

Yea, it’s been 10 years of CV1 propaganda.
A lot of BS and talk but nothing to show for it!

Didn’t Robin just sell one of those POS CVwhat motors a few days ago?
I guess he has a few?

... lmao, this is what you ran right after Robin ran in the same lane, i know because i was recording it lol ...

https://youtu.be/O-23Hu8DqlI

... Robin was gonna spank your azz and you knew it, make all the excuses you like, but you know why you punked out, and after all the trash you talked, your spring BS don't hold water bud ...

... oh and the part about Robin selling his completely intact running CV-1 N20 engine to another N20 guy, yes he most certainly did sell his completely intact running CV-1 N20 engine to that guy, which if you know his name, you'd obviously know he's a Tiger guy now isn't he ??? LMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try again stupid lol

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... yes, Dude ran a totally as cast CV-1 top end when he originally made the switch, and the car went ALOT faster, not just a tenth, more like a half of a second faster ...

... the SD top end that came later, had other upgrades under them made after the CV top end, like a solid roller and more compression, but the original back to back swap proved the CV's were way faster compared to the E-Heads, and that's a fact ...

Not what it says on SD Performance in P Dudes own words. Same cam, same everything less heads and intake. E heads ran faster.
Do you just get off straight up thinking you can just fill us all with BS and were are supposed to believe you ????

BTW, I think you need a Dragncar poster so you can staple it to the ceiling over your bed since I am living in your head so much. Keep me close by.
Just put your stuff on the side of the road with a FREE sign, Maybe someone will take it then.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Not what it says on SD Performance in P Dudes own words. Same cam, same everything less heads and intake. E heads ran faster.
Do you just get off straight up thinking you can just fill us all with BS and were are supposed to believe you ????

BTW, I think you need a Dragncar poster so you can staple it to the ceiling over your bed since I am living in your head so much. Keep me close by.
Just put your stuff on the side of the road with a FREE sign, Maybe someone will take it then.

... what i stated was fact, the only person spreading BS here is you, keep drinking that Gach kool aid bud ...

... and by all means, please send me one of your posters, i'd love to see what you look like ...

... and by the way, you owe Bruce Wilkie some money ...

[Jack Gifford]

[QUOTE=Dragncar;5901609
... I personally don't like CVs...
... I take much joy when they can not beat...[/QUOTE]

I admit to being puzzled by your attitude- as summed up by these two sentences. Puzzled because I consider myself a fairly dedicated Pontiac fan. But our outlooks are polar opposites. I have a hard time remembering any aftermarket Pontiac offering I "didn't like". And I just can't fathom "taking joy" as you do- whether it's Pontiac racing, 100 yard dash, spelling bee, or whatever.

Edit: I surprise myself, that I bothered to post this.
However, I must apologize for leading this "Street Outlaws" thread even further astray.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... lmao, this is what you ran right after Robin ran in the same lane, i know because i was recording it lol ...

https://youtu.be/O-23Hu8DqlI

... Robin was gonna spank your azz and you knew it, make all the excuses you like, but you know why you punked out, and after all the trash you talked, your spring BS don't hold water bud ...

... oh and the part about Robin selling his completely intact running CV-1 N20 engine to another N20 guy, yes he most certainly did sell his completely intact running CV-1 N20 engine to that guy, which if you know his name, you'd obviously know he's a Tiger guy now isn't he ??? LMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try again stupid lol

It’s a shame Robin could not go 7s in a 160# lighter car with a canted valve head.


And a old 1960s design dinosaur E head did it.

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

It’s a shame Robin could not go 7s in a 160# lighter car with a canted valve head.


And a old 1960s design dinosaur E head did it.

What compression difference? No way you could have run pump gas and gone cruising. Yeah he ran race gas at the track. It doesn't change the fact that he had lower compression .

And here you are thowin the weight excuse(everybody's lighter and has bigger tires according to your excuses) out there...

You still haven't answered Bill if you're going to be racing at Norwalk.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

What compression difference? No way you could have run pump gas and gone cruising. Yeah he ran race gas at the track. It doesn't change the fact that he had lower compression .

And here you are thowin the weight excuse(everybody's lighter and has bigger tires according to your excuses) out there...

You still haven't answered Bill if you're going to be racing at Norwalk.

I have a heads up race back here at a series that Billy and I race the same weekend as Norwalk.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

What compression difference? No way you could have run pump gas and gone cruising. Yeah he ran race gas at the track. It doesn't change the fact that he had lower compression .

And here you are thowin the weight excuse(everybody's lighter and has bigger tires according to your excuses) out there...

You still haven't answered Bill if you're going to be racing at Norwalk.

I will say right now if Jack's car is at Norwalk it will be faster than Fulton. I am not trying to start **** but I know it will be. If anyone wants to bet on et's let me know please.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

It’s a shame Robin could not go 7s in a 160# lighter car with a canted valve head.


And a old 1960s design dinosaur E head did it.

... And where & when did you run that 7 again ? ...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

I will say right now if Jack's car is at Norwalk it will be faster than Fulton. I am not trying to start **** but I know it will be. If anyone wants to bet on et's let me know please.

... Ok cool, set that car back up for 1/4 mile duty and let's do it, and if Norwalk isn't in the cards for Jack, I understand that, maybe we can meet after Norwalk somewhere else ... We would like to get some data from nice weather conditions for once ...