[RocktimusPryme]

I hadn’t posted in this in a while because I ranted and got it off my chest. Then this week I simultaneously discovered that poison ivy sucks and managed to get a staph infection. Minor irritations went to the back burner.


But I don’t think it’s fair in this case to say you aren’t allowed to point out a problem without a solution. Though often I would say I agree with you. In this case the solution is just for people to police themselves. You know if you really need the crutch. It’s up to you as a person to do the right thing. Obviously people don’t police themselves very well.

Any other solution you come up with will not be an elegant one.

Also just because a business entity takes advantage doesn’t make it a good practice. I would too. This is one of those people are going to do it anyway so you may as well take advantage. Rent carts to the slothful and needy alike. Sell alcohol to social drinkers and alcoholics.

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by RocktimusPryme

I hadn’t posted in this in a while because I ranted and got it off my chest. Then this week I simultaneously discovered that poison ivy sucks and managed to get a staph infection. Minor irritations went to the back burner.


But I don’t think it’s fair in this case to say you aren’t allowed to point out a problem without a solution. Though often I would say I agree with you. In this case the solution is just for people to police themselves. You know if you really need the crutch. It’s up to you as a person to do the right thing. Obviously people don’t police themselves very well.

Any other solution you come up with will not be an elegant one.

Also just because a business entity takes advantage doesn’t make it a good practice. I would too. This is one of those people are going to do it anyway so you may as well take advantage. Rent carts to the slothful and needy alike. Sell alcohol to social drinkers and alcoholics.

A bunch of you people forget about the facility owners liability, and their insurance rates are a direct result of risk vs rewards. You see dragstrips constantly downsizing to 1/8th mile, do you know why? Because the insurance is much cheaper on 1/8th mile facilities vs 1/4 mile facilities. If the risk of people using wheeled vehicles all over the facility was going to pose a huge risk to pedestrians, as some have suggested, the insurance company would clamp right down on the track in a NY minute.

The small monetary reward that the Bader family gets for allowing a vendor to rent carts would be lost as soon as the insurance company raised their rates. I guess there aren't many business owners complaining because they realize that a business that makes poor decisions as far as safety concerns, gets hammered by their insurance company. When the insurance company hammers them they can change their behavior/policies, or suffer the monetary repercussions.

There are rules that the track has concerning guests using wheeled vehicles at the facility, not like they just turn everyone loose and hope for the best. The Bader family knows that the customer is first and foremost, and place a huge amount of importance upon return business.

Point is, Norwalk owners (Bader family) aren't stupid people, they run a first class operation and have been doing it for 3 generations. These are the same people that have the "Bader Guarantee" that they'll do everything within reason to make sure the customer has a delightful experience at their facility. The same people that sell a pound of ice cream for $1, ya think they get rich on that gimmick? In this day and age if they break even on it I'd be surprised, a lost leader in the business world. They, and their insurance company, obviously have few concerns about pedestrian safety and interaction with wheeled vehicles, if they did they would take action.

I'm not so sure some doing the complaining wish they brought, or rented a cart. I've spent enough time discussing this, if you deep down wish you also had a cart, do something about having one. After using mine I would never go to Norwalk without one, It makes an enjoyable experience, even more enjoyable.

Keep kicking that horse, I think I saw him move...………….LOL


68 461 Bird, and CraigGT37, thank you for the compliments on my Go kart, I appreciate that someone sees the effort I put into the vehicle to make mine reflect the type racing (dirt track) that I really enjoy the most. I received a bunch of compliments throughout the weekend and was stopped a few times so people could get pictures of the Go kart. When it was parked while I was visiting with friends, Mike Garblik and Eric Larson at the Boss Bird display in the Manufacturers Midway, I noticed a few people looking it over.

[1965gp]

Jeeez man.... how many times do we have to say it???

We get it- you frequently go to Norwalk. You probably should have more say than me who goes once a year. Yoy have a cool golf cart, You know the owners- or know OF the owners. We have heard you say it several times....

I’m not saying I want a cart, I’m not even saying it is a safety hazard.

I’m saying for EVERYONE to have an enjoyable time the easy solution is to have parking for the carts by the show field and swap meet area. If they want to allow carts that is totally up to the owner / promoter. But I have just as much right to an opinion as you do.

For the case of my dad and I walking the show and swap meet it would be much more enjoyable if the limited cart, atv and bike access.

[RocktimusPryme]

You did indeed quote me, though you managed to misunderstand or misrepresent everything I said in impressive fashion.

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by RocktimusPryme

You did indeed quote me, though you managed to misunderstand or misrepresent everything I said in impressive fashion.

The last paragraph that infers that the track owners would stoop to pickup a penny no matter whose life it adversely affects, was what isn't factual in the case of Norwalk. I refuted it and gave some facts. If you like to base your side of an discussion on your opinion rather than facts go right ahead.

The whole subject from the beginning had very little merit because as was explained early on, just by looking at someone and assuming what their circumstances are, is poor way to differentiate facts from opinions.

Take a poll if you want, and see how many people are worried about scooter carts etc. at a motorsports event. The cross section displayed here is probably a good indicator that most people aren't terribly concerned with it.

Have fun kicking that horse...………...

[1965gp]

This is the first time I have been described as level headed!!

I have to say I appreciate that!

On the topic we aren’t going to solve it here. I think we can all agree to disagree. We have different opinions and that’s not the worst thing.

I think this got focused on Norwalk because a lot of us go there. Like others- that’s the only track event I go to. Other events could be better or worse- I have no idea.

It’s definitely not a deal breaker for me. I will continue to fly up from TX each year.

[1965gp]

One more thing- I don’t think any of us meant to discriminate against anyone needing a scooter to enjoy the event. I would much rather more people attend and enjoy the event- however they are capable.

We tried to get my grandfather to use a scooter but instead he decided to quit going to the shows. He would have enjoyed it but we never could convince him to get one. We missed out on about 8 years of events together that we didn’t need to. I don’t want to give the impression anyone on a scooter isn’t wanted at a show.

[Simple Man]

Originally Posted by 1965gp

Jeeez man.... how many times do we have to say it???

We get it- you frequently go to Norwalk. You probably should have more say than me who goes once a year. Yoy have a cool golf cart, You know the owners- or know OF the owners. We have heard you say it several times....

I’m not saying I want a cart, I’m not even saying it is a safety hazard.

I’m saying for EVERYONE to have an enjoyable time the easy solution is to have parking for the carts by the show field and swap meet area. If they want to allow carts that is totally up to the owner / promoter. But I have just as much right to an opinion as you do.

For the case of my dad and I walking the show and swap meet it would be much more enjoyable if the limited cart, atv and bike access.

Amen, brother!