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Old 02-09-2026, 12:01 PM
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A very small amount to research shows 500 and 550 are both part 25 transport category and require two pilots unless a pilot waiver is granted. For the pilot, not the aircraft. I understand the 501 and 551 are part 23 general aviation so single pilot is allowed.

No one said NTSB did enforcement, they investigate incidents or accidents and make safety recommendations. But I'm pretty sure they understand both aircraft type certificates and pilot qualifications.

This has been interesting but I think I will be stepping away from this thread.
Type certificate certification doesn’t work that way. As a pilot, you ARE required to hold a type certification in EVERY aircraft you fly, period. You say there isn’t that much difference between a CE500 and a CE550; really? The CE550 is nearly fifty knots faster, four thousand pounds heavier and more powerful engines. That explains WHY the pilot was required by the FAA to have another CE500 certification co-pilot; he wasn’t typed in the 550. Remember, you are attempting to play in a world I worked in for nearly THIRTY YEARS. BTW…both the 500 and 550 are GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT; the 500/501 and the 550/551 are IDENTICAL aircraft.

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I don't know cr@p about aircraft, or stay at Holiday Inn Expresses, but what was the cause/reason/whatever that Biffle had to die?



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Old 02-10-2026, 12:07 PM
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I don't know cr@p about aircraft, or stay at Holiday Inn Expresses, but what was the cause/reason/whatever that Biffle had to die?


John, as a retired thirty year aircraft maintenance professional my opinion is there were multiple flight instrument failures ( possible GCU related) coupled with a pilot who did not have an appropriate type certificate for the aircraft involved who was in way over his head.

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Type certificate certification doesn’t work that way. As a pilot, you ARE required to hold a type certification in EVERY aircraft you fly, period. You say there isn’t that much difference between a CE500 and a CE550; really? The CE550 is nearly fifty knots faster, four thousand pounds heavier and more powerful engines. That explains WHY the pilot was required by the FAA to have another CE500 certification co-pilot; he wasn’t typed in the 550. Remember, you are attempting to play in a world I worked in for nearly THIRTY YEARS. BTW…both the 500 and 550 are GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT; the 500/501 and the 550/551 are IDENTICAL aircraft.
Good you see you now agree with everyone that a qualified second pilot was required for this pilot and this plane.

Your reading comprehension needs some work.

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Old 02-10-2026, 11:58 AM
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Good you see you now agree with everyone that a qualified second pilot was required for this pilot and this plane.

Your reading comprehension needs some work.
ONLY for this pilot, since he did not hold a type rating in the C550. Do I need to refer you back to the FARs that state an aircraft certified for two pilots CAN be legally flown with one? You don’t learn very fast. Read 14CFR 61.58, better known as FAR 61.58. Know the difference between FAR 23 aircraft and FAR 25 aircraft? 500 lbs. Here’s some food for thought: the Cessna Citation S/II is an FAR 25 aircraft ( over 12,500 lbs) yet is certified for single pilot flight. The Beechcraft Super King Air 300 was certified under SFAR 23 yet weighs in excess of 12,500 lbs and IS certified for single pilot operation. Explain these( if you can…I definitely can).

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