[428bird]

I bought a IA 2 block (which took me about 7 months to recieve) the block really does look good but there are a few quaility control problems that I've found. 1 the oil holes on the lifter galleys are tapped to deep blocking the oil feed to the right side of the motor. 2 the main bearing holes don't line up very well with any of the bearings that I've tried (you'll need to grind them). 3 the intermedate shaft was a little long but a easy fix. 4 the stock oil pan gasket will not even come close to the rear main so you need to take alot of time and hope you get lucky sealing it with two rear gaskets. 5 stock motor mounts need some grinding to make them fit.6 check the decks really close because they been having cast problems there??
This in no way is meant to knock this block you just need to check everything you can think of and post it online so the next guy can have a easier time putting this thing together

[Polar-Pontiac]

Holy Chit from the way this board talks I figure that block was damn near perfect.

[Mo]

Originally Posted by Polar-Pontiac

Holy Chit from the way this board talks I figure that block was damn near perfect.

That is damn near perfect!

[johnsma22]

Given the assembly sheet that All Pontiac posts for download on their website detailing what the responsibilities of the builder are, I'd have to agree with Mo. That is damn near perfect!

It also states that if a defect is found that All Pontiac must be notified immediately. Did you contact them before posting this?

[2manyponchos]

Have had to enlarge the holes on stock motor mounts and solid mounts to fit a FACTORY block. I'd say that can be attributed to poor quality control on the mounts. Just my opinion.

[STALLION]

Originally Posted by BILL BOWMAN1

It may not be perfect, but I'm sure they would refund you, not tell you it's yours, run it up your a$$ like another vendor!!!!!!!!

Bill, is this a problem YOU had with the (another vender)or YOU just repeating what other people have said or posted.

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Skip. The Canton pan on my current engine had a leak along a welded seam. Had to mig weld it in the car as it's a lot of trouble to pull it and the pan. I guess the pans aren't checked for leakage when they leave the factory? But one in a 100 plus sold so far I guess is good odds in todays market?

Still a good piece.

[Brian Baker]

Originally Posted by Chris Roach

If the public hasn't made up their own minds on this subject by now, maybe they need to take up another hobby.

Chris, there are new members to the hobby all the time that are not privy to the information that has been disseminated thus far.

[Paul Spotts]

I supply All Pontiac with the plug kits. The black plugs are a special 7/8 taper NPTF - the "f" is for fine thread. These were required on the early run of blocks and impossible to find. The machining was changed, not the quality of the plug. There is a special tap for those plugs, and I now use them in stock blocks - its 3/8 NPTF and should be coated (like TiN) for cast iron. Once my supply is done of the black plugs (I purchased a 1000 of the plugs), the kits will have standard 3/8 npt plugs. This also happened with the 1" pipe plugs in the back. The black plugs are actually called "dry seal, flush fit plugs" The fine thread and different taper allows the seal to take place in high pressure situations, not really applying to our usage. At least the pioneer 3/8 plugs are easy to get.

The brass plugs have some issues as well. These can be slightly porous sometimes and have threads that will allow the plugs to go into the block. I usually coat them on the inside and use either right stuff, grey permatex or brown permatex. There are choices with those as well. All Pontiac has a nice billet piece and I recently found an aluminum hex head pipe plug - but they stick out further and could have issues with certain headers.


I also changed the 1/8 plugs to external hex head - used to supply internal hex head and they could round out when removing plugs - Pontiac used external hex plugs as well (they always had great engineering)

So you can see I did a lot of research on the plugs when we tested the first IA2 block, but still changes go on. Its all part of the game.

[Skip Fix]

I will agree let's not get this into a KRE bash.

But also Chris once you get "bent over" you tend to remember it.

Ken I had my F body pan deepened 1.5"

[GTOGEORGE]

Brian never got (so called) bent over, he probably has never even talked to KRE, he just wants to bring KRE down. Obviously he needs to get a life.

[Brian Baker]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Brian never got (so called) bent over, he probably has never even talked to KRE, he just wants to bring KRE down. Obviously he needs to get a life.

They seem to be doing a fine job all by themselves. Word of mouth travels farther than anything posted on this board. You know what else, George? People are judged by the company they keep...when you defend the actions of shysters, what image do you think you're portraying for yourself?

[Scott Roberts]

[QUOTE=Skip Fix;3311908]I will agree let's not get this into a KRE bash.

QUOTE]

I agree Skip. I believe the guy(428 Bird) is just a hobbiest that has never had an aftermarket block before. This is not a shot at him in anyway. Having never had a race block I can see where he would have some questions about his finds. 428Bird, I'm sure you will be very happy with your new block and I hope the professionals (Mr-Pbody and P-Dude ) helped clear up some of your questions. On a side note, the "New" MR-1 (as Listed on their web sight) has proven itself in cars like GTOGeorges and Brad Smulands. Everyone (self included) jumps on the past issues but forgets it is a new product made in a different foundry with some major changes for the better.

[Skip Fix]

Guys two of us here that have had first hand experience say lets get it back to his question and stay with IA blocks. No cheerleading either!

Aftermarket blocks are a new deal for alot of us in the Pontiac community-old hat for many Chevy guys. There is a little learning curve but a good machinist can help figure them out.

Even different AN pipe fittings in the same brand fit differently in the same tapped hole sometimes.

[STALLION]

[QUOTE=Drunk'nInjun;3311986]

Originally Posted by Skip Fix

I will agree let's not get this into a KRE bash.

QUOTE]

I agree Skip. I believe the guy(428 Bird) is just a hobbiest that has never had an aftermarket block before. This is not a shot at him in anyway. Having never had a race block I can see where he would have some questions about his finds. 428Bird, I'm sure you will be very happy with your new block and I hope the professionals (Mr-Pbody and P-Dude ) helped clear up some of your questions. On a side note, the "New" MR-1 (as Listed on their web sight) has proven itself in cars like GTOGeorges and Brad Smulands. Everyone (self included) jumps on the past issues but forgets it is a new product made in a different foundry with some major changes for the better.

D I, Scott, I have to give YOU a TON, a TON of credit for this post. That is all that is needed to SAY. You are a decent man Scott!!!!!

[johnta1]

People are judged by the company they keep...when you defend the actions of shysters

Brian should know about this.
How's it going shyster?

I showed you how that bent cap theory was Bravo Sierra...not my fault you can't grasp a visual from a picture.

You believe your own Bravo Sierra?
I always thought you did.

You really think the jurisdiction court case is the problem?
I imagine KRE would like to get over that case and get on with the real case.

[Chris Roach]

Originally Posted by Brian Baker

I never mentioned any names until YOU DID with your "I hate KRE" rant.

Oh, So your reference to butter was something you put on popcorn? My mistake!

[STALLION]

Originally Posted by STALLION

Even though we on this site all know that you have NO life(just look at the number of posts) you just continue to amaze me on these type of posts. What have the Kauffman's ever done to you, answer : of course NOTHING, but you continue your vendetta towards them. Even though I have NEVER met you personally, never talked to you on the phone,only posted on this site against you, I was told you are really F*T. I do not know that because I have never met you but I am told over and over and over that you are. So I guess that every time a thread starts and you post I can also post that you are F*T right, that is the truth. Of course it has nothing to do with the thread but I just want everyone to know THE TRUTH that you are, just like you do to the Kauffman's. Another thing that really amazes me is your knowledge of EVERYTHING but you still can not use your wealth of knowledge to put that FUNNY car on the track.(tell us why you can't/won't again and again and again) Brian it is to bad that because of alot of you posts people dislike YOU, ME included. Most people dislike YOU because of all your NEGATIVE posts. You and your buddies MAY dislike me because of my positive posts, can any of you guys see the difference(probability not) Brian all you are is a PYROMANIAC, all you and your buddies WANT to do is add gas to the fire instead of trying to put out the fire, like I AM trying to DO. DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE (PROBABILITY NOT)!!!!! To bad I have to dislike a man I have never met!!!

Read it Again and again and again. You MIGHT understand it (but probability NOT)All I am TRYING to DO Brian is to be like you and your buddies changing the focus of the thread to suit your purpose,your vendetta. What I said in my post is all true and if you and your buddies don't believe the TRYING I said TRYING to put out the fire part ask DI or the Kauffman's. You are a PYROMANIAC, it is all here in black and white so keep on posting we will see who laughs LAST, it is really hard to say you did not say stuff when it is right here in front of all of us. I will contuine toTRY to help Scott and KRE settle their differences, you Brian keep on adding gas to the fire,you are great at that. To end with your FUNNY car why don't you do like most of us do, talk the talk,walk the walk. Smack talk at the track, shake hands, hug after the race and have RESPECT for what we all have done with our cars!!!

[goquick]

As been stated before by others on here, the Pontiac crowd is in a learning curve on the differences of aftermarket blocks that the competition is used to. I would think a call to Bob and Frank at All Pontiac would resolve any issues the starter of this thread has. Also calling people who have experience with the IAII blocks such as the engine builder like P Dude or any of the others here would certainly be a worthwhile call.

[Ray Cox]

Brian You look like you have lost weight!

and since i dont get to BYB often Ill take the oppertunity while I can,
The connection between the too is "Lard"