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Scott Misus · 07-20-2002, 08:36 AM

What kind of oil filter was being used?

Mr_GTO · 07-20-2002, 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by Scott Misus:
What kind of oil filter was being used?

I think bruce uses one of those race style reusable filters. Not a throw away can unit. I think you get them from Summit and Jegs. I just don't have the catalong in front of me to tell ya the exact one.

Half-Inch Stud · 07-20-2002, 09:47 AM

I think it's clear that the diagnosis is incomplete, or better yet missing information. Wish I was there to go through it.

I doubt the aluminum piece was a root cause of oil pump or bearing failure, or added any aspect to unusual wear patterns.

I do not consider the aluminum or any foreign matter a contributor to the cylinder scuffing.
Rather, the cylinder scuffing is from the piston-to-wall loading and hot tolerance, and break-in fit(so much for torqueplates), but not from a lube situation. Seems unusual to conclude that any bores need sleeving after scuffing. Please consider using the bores as-is until further notice.

I sense a play for sympathy. Seems you imply a spun #5 rod bearing. But you said it got "wiped-out"...perhaps it did not spin. Perhaps the Rod gets inspected for roundness (what kind of Rod?, was it used/tested before?). Try this: #5 gets a new rod bearing, and the crank journal gets a strap-polish. See IT's not so bad.

Now, about the Oil Pump: Did the oil pump shaft break?!?!?!

NO, then you must go into the block and INSPECT THE CAM BEARINGS. My bet is the cam bearings got wiped and sent debris to the crank bearings.

cam bearing. cam bearings cam bearings

H.I. Stud

Scott Misus · 07-20-2002, 11:07 AM

Why were ARP bolts, instead of stockers, used for a water pump application that only sees 15 ft/lbs on the little ones and 30 ft/lbs on the big ones?

Goatman · 07-20-2002, 11:48 AM

Filter: Wix

HIS: Wrong, on all counts. Don't need sympathy, just money. Trying to educate a few, some seem to have titanium plates that prevent osmosis. Don't need to come down, as I had two guys right there that have been building Pontiacs longer than I've been breathing air or amneotic fluid................cam bearings are all fine. Oil pmup shaft is fine and was checked for warpage, none found. No offense, but this information coming from someone who reuses bearings and doesn't know enough to change both head gaskets when one goes isn't going to cut it.

Scott: Cause they're shiney................

Scott Misus · 07-20-2002, 11:55 AM

But I thought you always say "Chrome won't get you home."

Goatman · 07-20-2002, 12:28 PM

Now ARP's are chrome.................

You really just don't know much, do you Scotty. I guess its fish in a barrel time again, huh? Here we go, not even a week into it.

Only thing I've ALWAYS said, is with contributions like the ones you have made since you've been back here and in the past, before you got the boot from every Pontaic BB you've ever joined, you should have stayed gone, and just like everyone else here has predicted, it won't be long before you're back there again.

[ July 20, 2002, 12:31 PM: Message edited by: Goatman ]

Mr_GTO · 07-20-2002, 12:32 PM

Yup, and I live in a cramped condo.

LOL

No worries Bruce, the car will be back up and running before you know it. Are you still heading to The Grove?

Goatman · 07-20-2002, 01:02 PM

I'm not sure Chris.

Maybe I'll be there, maybe I won't. We'll have to wait untill then to see. You'll be able to recognize me, too bad others still can't. But those are the choices we take in life, I guess.

Scott Misus · 07-20-2002, 01:44 PM

Nah. Bad prediction.

You said you picked them because they were "shiny".

You say "Chrome won't get you home."

That's YOUR interpretion of "Looky-Loo" parts.

"shiny" ARP bolts sound like they fit your description of "Looky-Loo" Summit parts.

[ July 20, 2002, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: Scott Misus ]

Goatman · 07-20-2002, 01:50 PM

No, they do not. You made that stretch, not me and it was a poor attempt at that.

ARP bolts have a proven reputation for durabilty and I bought the kit to do my entire engine. They were there and I used them. Not that I have to justify anything to you.............but I will still try to educate the poor lost souls out there in wanna-be race land, for all to find humor in. OK, bro?

Scott Misus · 07-20-2002, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Goatman:
but I will still try to educate the poor lost souls out there in wanna-be race land, for all to find humor in. OK, bro?

OK, Ace. Fair enough.

Please, then, educate me on the reasons why the ARP bolts are better for holding a water pump on than are factory-supplied bolts. Besides the fact that they're shiney.

You're on.

Rick Lightfoot · 07-20-2002, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Goatman:
I'm not sure Chris.

Maybe I'll be there, maybe I won't. We'll have to wait untill then to see. You'll be able to recognize me, too bad others still can't. But those are the choices we take in life, I guess.

Yeah, OK... a 5'7" Portugeuse musclehead is real hard to pick out of a crowd...especially if said 5'7" Portugeuse musclehead is with a taller, dorkier version of Michael J. Fox. You won't be too hard to point out.

[ July 20, 2002, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: Rick Lightfoot ]

Goatman · 07-20-2002, 02:21 PM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Next.

Rick Lightfoot · 07-20-2002, 02:25 PM

Bruce, are you not able to answer Mr. Misus question, or is the whole subject putting you to sleep? It is me..

Mr_GTO · 07-20-2002, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Lightfoot:
Bruce, are you not able to answer Mr. Misus question, or is the whole subject putting you to sleep? It is me..

LOL, I actually had a girl at a bar tell me I did look like MJF the other night. I looked her straight in the face and told her nobody had ever ever told me that before.

I had my friends rolling on the floor.

Well, I know when I do my engine, or I should say when Dick and Tom do my engine, I am just going to buy the ARP kit. The factory bolts that came with the motor are looking a little worse for wear.

Goatman · 07-20-2002, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by FFCC:
The factory bolts that came with the motor are looking a little worse for wear.[/QB]

Holy cow! Someone with a brain in their head! No wonder we're freinds Chris, I tend to gravitate around those that can do more than consume air on my planet.

Scott Misus · 07-20-2002, 03:29 PM

It must be me.

Since I've been into this Pontiac silliness for 20+ years, I've amassed hundreds of these factory-issued bolts.

As such, I'm able to keep the hundreds that are excellent and discard the hundreds that are questionable.

Goatman · 07-20-2002, 03:47 PM

I don't have the space for buckets of bolts, Scott. When I need one, I just go buy it. I have saved some of the harder to come by bolts, like motor mounts and starter bolts from some of the motors I've parted out, but I don't trust the factory stuff for much anymore. You never know how many times they've been torque/stretched and how long they have left to live! Its more cost/time effective to just start with new parts, in my experience.

PONTIAC DUDE · 07-20-2002, 04:33 PM

How did the aluminum get past the screen.

No Oil pressure at all?

And if it was That small how could it do all that damage in that short a time?

And get past the oil filter?

Why #5, and all the rest look good?

And after only three pulls on the Dyno?

Hummmmmm. Interesting.

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