[Robert C.]

We have developed new dry sump oil pans for the Pontiac race IA II motor. Take a look at these pictures.

The pans have its own mounting system to mount your dry sump pump. Notice that every section has its own dry sump area. The pump pulls oil out to a tank for storage and the back to the filter then to the block. No other lines are used.

This is the best pan ever made for a Pontiac. It uses the BOP belt drive system.

[FBNRacing]

very Very Cool

Rex

[Bnick166]

VERY NICE! Me LIKEY!

[gtoroadracer]

That has to be one of the nicer parts I have seen ever built for a Pontiac Motor. It would look at home on a $40,000 Nascar motor. Extremely nice work, Kudos to you for taking Pontiac parts a step further.

[Jim Robertson]

Bob,
That is one of the coolest pieces I have ever seen. Great work! Thanks for offering another leading edge product.

Lead on,
Jim

[Scott M]

1. Does it force you to use a particular manufacturer and model # pump?

2. Blower cars have no use for belt drives. Can you do one without requiring that it employ a belt drive?

3. How much?

4. Nice job.

[Robert C.]

Originally Posted by Scott M

1. Does it force you to use a particular manufacturer and model # pump?

2. Blower cars have no use for belt drives. Can you do one without requiring that it employ a belt drive?

3. How much?

4. Nice job.

Thanks, Everyone.

This is the brain child of Frank G. Just because he does not post here does not mean he does not read here allot.

Oil control has been the biggest problem for all of us since day one for Pontiac. The faster we go. The harder we need to brake. Pulling a chute and hitting the brakes hard, the oil goes airborne. And now what?


Scott,

I will try to answer your questions in order.

1.We use the best pump. Nascar quality for sure.
2.No blower cars use belt drive? Why? Is that statement made because, no Pontiac has used a blower with a cam driven belt drive, YET? Why not think out of the box? Just think how nice it would make it to be able to adjust cam timing in minutes? No timing cover means that there is now room for a belt to drive the sump pump. It makes the blower hub close to the motor and reduces the upward pull on the crankshaft nose. The front plate is now the motor plate. So I don’t get Bitched at, yes we can have one made for a timing cover.
3.Cost? Well let’s talk cost. You need the BOP system or a like system. Maybe we will have a system one day, but for now the BOP. It is a nice system engineered by BOP.

No timing cover. $165.00.
No front seal. $5.00
No oil pump in side. $85.00
No timing chain set. $100.00
No windage Tray and scraper. $179.00
No canton oil pan. $284.95
No Accusump . $350.00 est.
No oil pump mount system. $200.00 est.
No pain gasket to fail. Priceless.
No vacuum pump, catch can, lines AN fittings and brackets. $850.00
No front plate system and mounting . $350.00
No distributor 350.00 est.
No UPS freight cost for all of the above. $100.00

Total: $3,018.95 to spend on other parts, correct?

Notice the sealing surfaces are ALL O-ringed? Nice for the easy access, check your bearings time.
The cost one time of losing the crankshaft and bearings when you lost the oil pressure stopping your car?

Call for pricing.

[goquick]

Notice how Mr. C left us all hanging with "call for pricing"?
That's a great addition to the parts avalible for us in the Pontiac world now!!!! That's a first class system all the way. Thanks Frank for coming up with it.

[Jack Gifford]

It's pretty... and may even work.

Any "live liquid" studies to confirm that the oil entrapment performs as well as a traditional kickout volume (with good-flowing windage screen)? Certainly keeps the bottom of the engine more compact than a pan with a good-sized kickout. And pan bolts are accessible, as opposed to hidden.

In the photo with the pump mounted, it looks like more than a couple of scavenge stages. But the scavenge manifold appears to only cover two stages?

You need to fill us dummies in- what does the front of the pan fit? The BOP cam-belt-drive setup only?

Like most, I've struggled with the "check bottom end" routine more times than I like to remember- and usually in conditions far from a clean-room environment. Which leads me up to my pet out-of-box thought: inspection plate(s) on the bottom of the pan. Your rigid pan lends itself well to four individual plates (O-ringed, of course).
[Like most ideas, it's already been done. A couple of times, I've seen pans where the flat bottom was a detachable piece]

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Now that is awesome and intovative.

Yes oil control and the design of the Pontiac oiling system is a struggle under high load and hp requirements.

Lot of thought, looking at all the details went into that design.

[Robert C.]

Jack,

Each section is on it own suction.

Why take off the bottom inspection plates? when you can just drop the whole thing. There are just three AN hoses to take off and the pan bolts, and front plate bolts. No sealer is needed. all parts are O-Ringed. Look at the area under the main caps. It is a mirror image. It is like each bank of cylinders are one tank.

It is a dry sump, oil pump, vacuum pump and windage tray system all in one.

The front of the pan fits the BOP belt drive for right now. Until the solenoid actuated valve timing system is worked out, this is the only way you can turn the camshaft. (Just kidding)

As far as Oil control testing? You see it tested ever week on TV.

Yes it is a Billet Aluminum oil Pan. Not one weld in site. Can you just see in your mind the pile of chips this thing makes.

[HWYSTR455]

Now THAT is NICE! I don't really need one, but darn, I WANT one! Heh-heh!

What chassis will it fit?

I bet that thing DOES leave a pile of chips!


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[Scott M]

Originally Posted by Robert C.

2.No blower cars use belt drive? Why? Is that statement made because, no Pontiac has used a blower with a cam driven belt drive, YET? Why not think out of the box?

Ask Dave Wilcox how many Top Alcohol cars he's seen using a timing belt.

[cgeise]

looks to me that you have way to much time on your hands - but it does look nice --

[superdutybob]

Looks like Bill Daily artwork to me!

My guess 5-6K for the pan, pump, and mandrels.

Very nice piece if you need it.

[Scott M]

Originally Posted by superdutybob

My guess 5-6K for the pan, pump, and mandrels.

Not likely that the pan will cost more than the block.

[Scott M]

Originally Posted by Robert C.

3.Cost? Well let’s talk cost. You need the BOP system or a like system. Maybe we will have a system one day, but for now the BOP. It is a nice system engineered by BOP.

No timing cover. $165.00.
No front seal. $5.00
No oil pump in side. $85.00
No timing chain set. $100.00
No windage Tray and scraper. $179.00
No canton oil pan. $284.95
No Accusump . $350.00 est.
No oil pump mount system. $200.00 est.
No pain gasket to fail. Priceless.
No vacuum pump, catch can, lines AN fittings and brackets. $850.00
No front plate system and mounting . $350.00
No distributor 350.00 est.
No UPS freight cost for all of the above. $100.00

Total: $3,018.95 to spend on other parts, correct? .

No.

You still need a distributor. Deduct.

You still need a front plate. Deduct.

The Accusump number is only valid if you've used one before. Most don't. Deduct.

You still have to UPS the pan. Deduct.

Now, deduct the unnecessary high cost of the BOP belt system.

What's your amended bottom line now?

$1,869 here. Before the BOP belt drive deduct.

BOP belt, required with this pan, but not a necessity. Deduct $899.

Amended cost = $970.00.

[cgeise]

your not going to get the pan - the pump --the drive - and all the plumbing for 970.00, the pump alone for a good one is 1300 to 1600 bucks - then you also need a a tank - 500 bucks - ect ect - ------------------- ect

[Scott M]

Originally Posted by cgeise

your not going to get the pan - the pump --the drive - and all the plumbing for 970.00, the pump alone for a good one is 1300 to 1600 bucks - then you also need a a tank - 500 bucks - ect ect - ------------------- ect

I didn't say anything about the final cost; I simply corrected Robert's faulty math.

[tiacguy]

Very nice piece!! But like most of the custom aftermarket Pontiac parts. Way to exspensive for the average guy. How many of us do you think can really afford to spend what it will take to buy this setup? Good luck with your endeavors.