[Bjorn]

Maybe I wont have to update much of this anymore ,since its now found out to be a fraud and even the media is starting to wake up and report it...but anyway for amusement here are 3 recent noteworthy items.
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Below is a map from www.slf.ch which shows the % of snowfall across Switzerland as compared to the long-term mean.
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As you can see, several areas are more than 200% of normal, with a few stations over 500%.
Still early, but I think the data last year was exactly the same.
So, whether it's due to global warming, PDO/AMO shifts or just highlighting high early snowfall levels at sunspot minimum, it seems that we're having some 'local difficulty' in explaining why ski resorts will all open up this weekend to bumper conditions.
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[Bjorn]

and since its snowing in Houston today , the earliest ever...as a new record...but of course "it just one day", so not important ! LOL

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Climate Change 'Fraud'



By John Ingham



2 Dec 09 - (Excerpts) - The scientific consensus that mankind has caused climate change was rocked yesterday as a leading academic called it a “load of hot air underpinned by fraud”.
Professor Ian Plimer condemned the climate change lobby as “climate comrades” keeping the "gravy train" going.
Prof Plimer said Governments were treating the public like “fools” and using climate change to increase taxes.
He said carbon dioxide has had no impact on temperature and that recent warming was part of the natural cycle of climate stretching over ­billions of years.
Prof Plimer - author of Heaven and Earth: Global Warming, The Missing Science - said climate change was caused by natural events such as volcanic eruptions, the shifting of the Earth’s orbit and cosmic radiation. He said: “Carbon dioxide levels have been up to 1,000 times higher in the past. CO2 cannot be driving global warming now."
“In the past we have had rapid and significant climate change with temperature changes greater than anything we are measuring today. They are driven by processes that have been going on since the beginning of time.”
And he predicted that the next phase would cool the planet.
The talks at Copenhagen are expected to find ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions globally.
But Professor Plimer, of Adelaide and Melbourne Universities, said that to stop climate change Governments should find ways to prevent changes to the Earth’s orbit and ocean currents and avoid explosions of supernovae in space.
Professor Plimer suggested many scientists had a vested interest in promoting climate change because it helped secure more funding for research.
See entire great article:
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/143573/Climate-change-fraud-

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Deliberate distortion of climate data
by Alan Caruba


1 Dec 09 - (Excerpts) - "The tragedy of the global warming fraud will be a generation whose faith in climate science will have been severely shaken. They will have witnessed the deliberate distortion of climate data for a political objective.

Who can trust the “science” produced by NASA and other U.S. agencies that have benefited from billions in grants directed at so-called climate, i.e. global warming research?

These organizations must now publicly admit to their role in advancing this international fraud and must take steps to correct the record, to examine the data of those courageous climatologists, meteorologists and others who, while barred from having their work appear in the IPCC reports, did not shrink from sharing it with the public.

It won’t be easy. The President of the United States, despite lofty statements in support of science, is totally committed to the fraudulent “science” of “global warming.” He has surrounded himself with people associated with the fraud, from his “Science Czar” to his “Climate Czar”, as well as appointments such as the Director of the Environmental Protection Agency.

President Obama has repeated every global warming lie that has been around for far too long and will shortly bless the December UN Conference on Climate Change in Copenhagen with a visit before picking up a now worthless Nobel Peace Prize.

All of this is a national disgrace and remains, in the form of the Cap-and-Trade legislation awaiting a vote in the Senate, a threat to the nation’s economic recovery and to the faith that Americans have always had in legitimate science.
See all of this article, entitled "Leading U.S. Science Groups Endorsed the Global Warming Fraud"
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/12/leading-us-science-groups-endorsed.html

[Bjorn]

[quicksilver97ta]

Yeah I see you are under a winter weather advisory today. It snowed here Wednesday morning and it might again later today. We're supposed to have flurries today and a hard freeze (27*) tonight. That's too cold for me to comfortably work in the garage and I am just about ready to refire this thing. Damn global warming.

[MikeNoun]

This whole "climate change" thing is an excellent example of how easy it is to control the weak-minded in this country. Gore of course knows this, and the end result is that he gets the taxpayers help to make him a billionaire, he gets his own auto company, and he's laughing all the way to the bank.

Gore used a tactic that's been the main reason this country has collapsed financially and morally in the past 10 years. He built up a trust in the American people, then calculated out how to bilk them for the most amount of money without having to pay anything himself. He's just like a televangelist. He used the "give me money, and I will relieve your guilt" tactic. If you disagree with Al Gore, you're called an irresponsible, selfish person that doesn't care about the future of our children. Another classic Liberal tactic: when all else fails, "think of the children, pleeease think of the children!" That works every time.

Not sure if this was discussed before, but I laughed when I saw that clip of an Al Gore speech, when he took questions from the audience. One man stood up and asked the smiling, cordial Mr. Gore if he was aware that there are a greater number of polar bears today than there were 15 years ago. Immediately, Gore's smile disappeared and he turned into the "angry teacher", and said, "Do you think polar bears are endangered?", to which the man said again, "...there are more polar bears today than there were 15 years ago". Gore would not answer the man's question, he just kept repeating himself, trying to get the guy to admit that polar bears were "in danger". Gore was really upset about that one. Someone actually was trying to debate him, the Great Albert Gore, King Of The Climate Change, the Green Czar.

Most Americans seem to living in a childlike dream world, and politicians prey on that, promising a garden of eden down the road if you just pay up now. I think in years to come, this while climate change/Al Gore thing will be remembered as the greatest Ponzi scheme of the them all. But it will be a tough egg to break, because Gore preys on the simple fact that whenever it's a cold day, it's due to global warming, when it's hot, it's because of global warming, when it rains, or snows, or it's cloudy, it's because of global warming.

So his tactic is to just "give me money, and I will fix everything". You have to admit, it's brilliant in its simplicity. He's the Climate Televangelist of our era.

[Bjorn]

yeah ,heres our GW right now....took this pic at lunch...
it has never in recorded history snowed this early in Houston...
I hope Danny has his jaclet on! lol

and heres 'news'

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/04/houston-we-have-a-problem-its-snowing/


heres what I had for lunch at the German restaurant..

Potato Soup

Servings: 12
2 ounces butter
4 ounces flour
2 medium onions, peeled and chopped fine
3 small leek, trimmed and thinly sliced
3 small celery ribs, thinly sliced
6 slices smoked bacon sliced thinly (6 ounces)
1 teaspoon dried leaf marjoram
1 teaspoon dried leaf thyme
3 teaspoons dill
1 dash freshly grated nutmeg
1/2 zest from 1/2 lemon
3 pounds Maine potatoes, peeled and diced small
2-1/2 quarts chicken broth
1-1/2 cups sour cream
3 teaspoons salt
3/4 teaspoon freshly ground white pepper
6 tablespoons fresh chives for garnish
Heat large saucepan, add the butter and melt. Add the sliced bacon and saute until light brown. Add the chopped onion, celery, and leek and saute until translucent. Dust with the flour and make a light in color roux.
Whisk in the chicken broth and bring to a boil. Simmer for two minutes and add the potatoes, all seasoning, and herbs.
Simmer on medium heat until the potatoes are soft. Finish with sour cream and adjust the seasoning if necessary. Serve in hot soup bowl and garnish with chopped chives.

Rudi Lechner
Rudi Lechner's Restaurant - Houston, Texas
http://www.rudilechners.com

[Grant Miller]

Gomer,

You're going to use Ian Plimer to support this cause? That's totally hilarious! Maybe you can to down to the railroad yard and find some hobo's to join in. They'd be just as reliable on this subject.

Again, no one knows what's the actual truth, that's why they are called THEORIES. I think that Mike Noun is dead on with this whole weak minded deal. I detailed that to some degree in a previous thread of Gomer's. The thing is, selling out to EITHER side at this point is weak minded. No PROOF either way.

[Bjorn]

Originally Posted by Grant Miller

Gomer,

You're going to use Ian Plimer to support this cause? That's totally hilarious! Maybe you can to down to the railroad yard and find some hobo's to join in. They'd be just as reliable on this subject.

Again, no one knows what's the actual truth, that's why they are called THEORIES. I think that Mike Noun is dead on with this whole weak minded deal. I detailed that to some degree in a previous thread of Gomer's. The thing is, selling out to EITHER side at this point is weak minded. No PROOF either way.

agreed! no proof either way! would you mind telling Gomer Gore that too?
you`re saying that proven lier Al Gore (proof in his own film) is a more reliable source?

as far as I heard him say "the discussion is over".....lol

but what IS a fact is that here in Houston we broke an all time record for early snow....dismiss that! I know ,its only one incident...but we`ve had those 'one incidents" now for a long time, and then it actually means something, makes a trend, dont you agree?

[johnsma22]

Anthropogenic global climate change may or may not be occurring. That's not the point. The point is that ALL of the evidence in support of it has now been called into question. Therefore, if we are going to be asked to subject our economy to limitations of so called green house emissions, then it is only prudent for us to ask for some actual scientific data to back up their claims. I suspect that should take a few decades for some REAL scientists to compile and quantify. If the data at that time suggests that we are responsible for this climate change, then come back and talk to us. Until then, STFU!

[MikeNoun]

I'm still waiting for us to be overwhelmed with thousands of tornadoes, and for a dozen hurricanes to sweep us out into the ocean. That was one of the fear tactics Gore & Crew sold to millions of scared teenagers and 20-somethings after Hurricane Katrina. Then the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" (another great comedy) debuts, followed by Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth". Well, no one is laughing anymore. These guys knew what they're doing, they knew how easy it was to fool the American public. Gore will become the first "green" billionaire, laughing all the way to the bank, and we're stuck with a President that hates the U.S., bows to foreign leaders, and apologizes for being American.

John, I'm afraid it's too late. Kids have been brainwashed into blaming America for everything, and it will only get worse. Yes, we should have waited for "real scientists", but Gore & Crew knew that acting swiftly and preying on people's fears, via movies and documentaries, would make them (Gore) billionaires. Now Gore has his own auto company, people are driving Toyota Prius's with smiles on their faces, believing they're saving the planet, and we'll soon be spending a trillion dollars for cap and trade to make America "greener".

[johnsma22]

Well Mike, it's time to stop talking and get busy voting! No partisanship here either. It's time to vote all the bums out, regardless of party affiliation. Anyone who now turns to the data in question as proof for their "green" agenda should be looked at with extreme skepticism.

Again, I'm not saying that man made climate change isn't happening. All I'm saying is that people who do believe that it's happening need to start from scratch with their research. Once they have some real science to present to us, then maybe we'll talk.

[pontiacpetey]

Here is proof of Global Warming for all of you non-believers! I was sceptical too until I saw this.

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[Bjorn]

Originally Posted by johnsma22

Well Mike, it's time to stop talking and get busy voting! No partisanship here either. It's time to vote all the bums out, regardless of party affiliation. Anyone who now turns to the data in question as proof for their "green" agenda should be looked at with extreme skepticism.

Again, I'm not saying that man made climate change isn't happening. All I'm saying is that people who do believe that it's happening need to start from scratch with their research. Once they have some real science to present to us, then maybe we'll talk.

agreed, we "could" be responsible for maybe 1/10 %, but the climate cycles have always been here, and always will be...to basically ban mankind from doing anything is just bad science......the sun and the planets insides have always impacted climate...and what we see is 99.9 % that!

when "proof" is flawed and twisted, like in Als movie...the "greens" made it worse for themselvres....who is going to believe the "proof" next time?

I wont, didnt this time either ,but had doubts for awhile...no more.

[Grant Miller]

Originally Posted by johnsma22

Anthropogenic global climate change may or may not be occurring. That's not the point. The point is that ALL of the evidence in support of it has now been called into question. Therefore, if we are going to be asked to subject our economy to limitations of so called green house emissions, then it is only prudent for us to ask for some actual scientific data to back up their claims. I suspect that should take a few decades for some REAL scientists to compile and quantify.

Originally Posted by johnsma22

Well Mike, it's time to stop talking and get busy voting! No partisanship here either. It's time to vote all the bums out, regardless of party affiliation. Anyone who now turns to the data in question as proof for their "green" agenda should be looked at with extreme skepticism.

Again, I'm not saying that man made climate change isn't happening. All I'm saying is that people who do believe that it's happening need to start from scratch with their research. Once they have some real science to present to us, then maybe we'll talk.

Well stated and I totally agree. I would add that data from either side should be viewed with extreme skepticism until there is an overwhelming breakthrough. Even then, policy tied to any break through should be minimal or non-existant until there is proof! I saw something this morning where a NOAA scientist stated that Global Warming is NOT a theory. Whatever lady.....

[johnsma22]

Grant I agree. The big difference between the two sides is that one wants to take over economies and dictate standards of living and one doesn't.

Bjorn, when I wrote; "I'm not saying that man made climate change isn't happening." I was simply, for the sake of argument, establishing that if it were being caused by us the current data could not be used to defend the position any more.

I personally don't think that we have any, significant or otherwise, effect on the global weather patterns on this planet. It's a form of insanity to think otherwise.

[Bjorn]

Originally Posted by johnsma22

Grant I agree. The big difference between the two sides is that one wants to take over economies and dictate standards of living and one doesn't.

Bjorn, when I wrote; "I'm not saying that man made climate change isn't happening." I was simply, for the sake of argument, establishing that if it were being caused by us the current data could not be used to defend the position any more.

I personally don't think that we have any, significant or otherwise, effect on the global weather patterns on this planet. It's a form of insanity to think otherwise.

we are in full agreement!

Grant wrote:

ell stated and I totally agree. I would add that data from either side should be viewed with extreme skepticism until there is an overwhelming breakthrough. Even then, policy tied to any break through should be minimal or non-existant until there is proof! I saw something this morning where a NOAA scientist stated that Global Warming is NOT a theory. Whatever lady.....

I agree with this also! but since 99% of the media is not taking it with skepticism and go for one side full bore, telling us how it is...I`m just trying to balance out the discussion (which by Al Gores account is over), to try to get a balanced view , balanced info....to do that I will push for the side the media isnt....

[Thumpin455_GTO]

Hey Bjorn, the sun cycle is coming around again, might be headed for an upswing. You know when it does they will all point to how much hotter its getting. Everyone conveniently forgot that hockey stick graph back in 98 that showed temps going through the roof.

Me? Well I find things out for myself rather than believe the talking heads on TV. Are we affecting the climate? Maybe. Are we affecting the air quality? Definitely. Is CO2 a pollutant? With record crops and plants needing CO2 I would say no, unless we clear cut the entire planet and pave it, then yeah its a problem. Im not going to pay Al so I can feel better, not when he lives like he does.

[johnsma22]

How did we ever get to the place where we are even asking the question whether or not a gas, which is required for survival by every single thing on the planet that contains chlorophyll, could possibly be classified as a pollutant? It's pure madness!

[Old Man Taylor]

I noticed several articles in the Sunday papers today about the doom and gloom of "climate change". They were all very long and very prominent in each paper. There was no mention in any of them of the data integrity problems that have recently come to light. Doesn't the UN meet on December 9 about this issue? I think the articles were all written some time ago for publication just prior to this conference.

[Bjorn]

Arent most people who are believing in us being liable for Cilmate change also believe in Evolution??

wh would we stop evolution? the Earth and animals including Humans have evolved....but suddenly we as humans have decided evoltion has to stop and everything needs a status quo? we need to save all endangered species and stop climate and temperature change? isnt that playing God?

let the world keep changing , species too, they come and go, its part of "life"