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njsteve · 02-20-2010, 12:08 AM

What I have found is that the paint will lift if there is surface rust underneath it. So, if you have an area where the rust has seeped under the adjacent paint coating, the rust remover will attack that rusty area as well. In my link above, there is a before and after shot of the jack base and you can see what it does to the rusty spots and the adjacent paint.

165th · 02-20-2010, 09:55 AM

Brent, can you look at the wheels today on both cars? What are the date codes for the KR's? Can you list the date codes and the trim tag build date? Also, do you think the stems are original, or do you think they were replaced when the BFG's were put on?

My question is, should the stems be the short or long type? I know long is more convenient but something tells me the short stems are correct. I had a friend back in the day who always complained of having trouble getting the hose on the stem. He said it was because this was soon after the beauty rings had become standard equipment and the stems hadn't changed yet.

ccie3611 · 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 165th

Brent, can you look at the wheels today on both cars? What are the date codes for the KR's? Can you list the date codes and the trim tag build date? Also, do you think the stems are original, or do you think they were replaced when the BFG's were put on?

My question is, should the stems be the short or long type? I know long is more convenient but something tells me the short stems are correct. I had a friend back in the day who always complained of having trouble getting the hose on the stem. He said it was because this was soon after the beauty rings had become standard equipment and the stems hadn't changed yet.

i don't have the original wheels on my 4spd i'm restoring, However i do have the original wheels on the survivor including the spare!! looks like the spare has been used but the realy kewl part is it still has the *original polyglas tire* on it :-)

not sure about decoding dates on wheels but it looks like its 12/30/70 (don't see too many 1970 KRs)

bird72 · 02-20-2010, 11:52 AM

This thread is great. Having a 72 I especially dig it. Great reference photos, your time is much appreciated.

njsteve · 02-20-2010, 11:52 AM

Another request please! :-)

Can we get a shot of the underside of the trunk lid, especially a close up of the jacking instructions decal?

OVERULD · 02-20-2010, 12:09 PM

Welcome Brent - again, great find and thanks for sharing all the photos. I am a GTO guy who is a closet Trans Am lover thinking of coming out of the closet so I am really enjoying this thread!!

BJ

Judge273 · 02-20-2010, 12:29 PM

Very nice car! Love seeing the details.

"The JW coded 4 3/4 bolt pattern rally II's were introduced on '70 1/2 T/A's & were followed by KN's & KR's being used beginning on '71 T/A's. KN's, & soon after KR's, became optional on '71 GTO's beginning in late Jan of '71. By early February of '71, majority of KN's were used up, & any A or F-body that was optioned with 15x7 rally II's came with KR's. KR's were stamped up into May of '72." from oPh..

like you said: "not sure about decoding dates on wheels but it looks like its 12/30/70 (don't see too many 1970 KRs)."

Your wheel is unusual as a KR stamped from 1970?

ccie3611 · 02-20-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge273

Very nice car! Love seeing the details.

"The JW coded 4 3/4 bolt pattern rally II's were introduced on '70 1/2 T/A's & were followed by KN's & KR's being used beginning on '71 T/A's. KN's, & soon after KR's, became optional on '71 GTO's beginning in late Jan of '71. By early February of '71, majority of KN's were used up, & any A or F-body that was optioned with 15x7 rally II's came with KR's. KR's were stamped up into May of '72." from oPh..

like you said: "not sure about decoding dates on wheels but it looks like its 12/30/70 (don't see too many 1970 KRs)."

Your wheel is unusual as a KR stamped from 1970?

it seems every time we think we can put a stake in the ground on date code rules for some part someone pops up with an exception to that rule :-)

165th · 02-20-2010, 12:49 PM

Here is a 12 29 70 KR:

OVERULD · 02-20-2010, 01:05 PM

Maybe it's just me but I can't tell any difference between all the Rally II wheels - Is there a visual difference or is it all just in the date coding?

BJ

Jim Rotella · 02-20-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ccie3611

i don't have the original wheels on my 4spd i'm restoring, However i do have the original wheels on the survivor including the spare!! looks like the spare has been used but the realy kewl part is it still has the *original polyglas tire* on it :-)

not sure about decoding dates on wheels but it looks like its 12/30/70 (don't see too many 1970 KRs)

Great pictures of an original KR wheel! That charcoal color is the shade that I remember seeing on the Rally II's in the late 60's and early 70's. I've got old pictures of some of my early 70's Pontiacs with that shade of charcoal on their Rally Wheels. It is darker than the DDL 32947 that is out there today. Could it be that the DDL 32947 color superceded the original charcoal in later years and that number that has been in use ever since.

tdavidl · 02-20-2010, 01:47 PM

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LOL!

I can see it! I can see it!!!

steve, plz give credit where credit is due...isn't this line stolen from a seinfeld episode where mr. pip is trying to see the spaceship in some kind of artwork ?

LOL ;-)

68bird400HO · 02-20-2010, 01:52 PM

I think the run of 12/29/70 and 12/30/70 KRs was a large run. I see these dates on KRs more than any other. I have seen KRs dated as early as Oct '70. A few years ago I pulled three 12/29/70 KRs off of a '72 TA that was being parted. I don't know the build date of that car. I think there was also a run of KRs dated 12/28/70.

necdb3 · 02-20-2010, 03:23 PM

That original spare must have had a flat. The valve stem is a tube!

njsteve · 02-20-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tdavidl

steve, plz give credit where credit is due...isn't this line stolen from a seinfeld episode where mr. pip is trying to see the spaceship in some kind of artwork ?

LOL ;-)

ABSOLUTELY!!! I couldn't think of the guy's name from the episode when I posted it! :-)

ccie3611 · 02-20-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OVERULD

Maybe it's just me but I can't tell any difference between all the Rally II wheels - Is there a visual difference or is it all just in the date coding?

BJ

BJ,

i couldn't tell the difference either until a friend pointed out the width between the inner and outer part of the rim. and ofcourse make sure its a 15x7

ccie3611 · 02-20-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by necdb3

That original spare must have had a flat. The valve stem is a tube!

ah and i bet the actual spare is on the car...

2manyT/A'S · 02-20-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ccie3611

ah and i bet the actual spare is on the car...

That's how it usually works.

And the BENT wheel is in the trunk.

70RAlll · 02-21-2010, 12:51 AM

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ok i had to go look - cleaned the straps a bit and here are the pics - they are painted. perhaps they were 'hanging' while the car was painted before the tank was installed.

the number on the strap is 3965632

I have stenciles for the gas tank dates if anyone needs any. I don't know if the repo shops are carrying these yet, but had some made up last year. Just apply them and spray with black paint. Exactly original. I have 1970 and 1971 dates.. The guy who made these will make some for any date needed.. just PM me..

Norwood · 02-21-2010, 09:40 AM

The straps on my 70 have blue paint on them ....

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