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Old 04-15-2010, 12:43 PM
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A friend of mine has a 87 Buick Park Ave that has gotten up to 35 mpg. Filled before we left and refilled when we got to our destination, all Highway at 65-70 mph.

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One of the biggest advertising mistakes that GM ever made was in not bragging about the mileage their "big" cars got. They did better than many smaller cars while they had all the comfort and room you could ask for. I believe they lost a tremendous number of sales due to that. They also killed the Bonneville when it was outselling the Buick Le Sabre.

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Rich, No one has said the powers that be in the last 10yrs at GM were smart.

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More like the last 35-years.

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60 man I see why you call the newer Bonnevilles little.LOL.

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Don, if your going to look at Grand Am's or Grand Prix's I'd stick with the GP's. Grand Am sixes do not get the same gas mileage as the 3.8. Grand Am 4 cyl. do ok but it's a 4 cylinder.
Being they get about the same mileage maybe I should stick with looking for a Bonneville. Thanks.

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How do the 92-99 Bonnevilles compare to the 2000 on models as far as ride?

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If you get the handling package, they ride and handle great. I had mine close to 110 and my wife just sat there, unconcerned. The standard suspension is still better than the Olds and Buicks. I know of some people who owned one of them and the first time they drove a Bonneville they traded for it. One exception was a doctor who first got an Olds 88 because they thought the Bonnie was too firm. When their son wrecked their Olds, they bought the Bonnie.

They all dealt with the dealer I bought my '92 from. I ordered the handling package on mine because they didn't have one with it. I bought the first one they sold, and from that time on, they didn't order one without it.

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Personally I like the ride / handling / interior ergonomics of the 92-9 Bonnies better than I do the last gen.

if you live in the salt belt be sure to inspect the cradle bushings for rust.

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60 man I see why you call the newer Bonnevilles little.LOL.
Yeah...My Ventura is bigger..and badder

But my Bonni has a aluminum hood !! Race track material?!

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If you get the handling package, they ride and handle great. I had mine close to 110 and my wife just sat there, unconcerned. The standard suspension is still better than the Olds and Buicks. I know of some people who owned one of them and the first time they drove a Bonneville they traded for it. One exception was a doctor who first got an Olds 88 because they thought the Bonnie was too firm. When their son wrecked their Olds, they bought the Bonnie.

They all dealt with the dealer I bought my '92 from. I ordered the handling package on mine because they didn't have one with it. I bought the first one they sold, and from that time on, they didn't order one without it.
What do I need to look for to tell if its got the handling package for those years?

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Look at the label on the trunk lid for FE2/F41, those are the codes for the handling package.

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Personally I like the ride / handling / interior ergonomics of the 92-9 Bonnies better than I do the last gen.

if you live in the salt belt be sure to inspect the cradle bushings for rust.

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believe they are under recall for the cradle bushings as its a safety issue? Not sure of years but i know my 95 regal gs had them replaced for free...lol

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Old 04-19-2010, 06:18 PM
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I drove a '96 SE for a year. It did 30-31mpg on the interstate. The normally aspirated 3800s all get that kind of mileage when kept under 75mph. Super charged versions struggle to get over 28.
Try browsing this forum for possible answers to the SES light:
http://www.pontiacbonnevilleclub.com/forum/index.php

Could be as simple as the gas cap not tightened properly.
Those Michelin tires will last a long time if you keep 'em rotated.
Lightfoot that sight was very helpful. Thanks, Don

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I just bought my friends '97 Bonneville SSEi for $300, for my son to drive. Hail damage, broken outside mirror, gas gauge doesn't work and the air was leaking out from the recently new tires. The supercharger idler pulley went and took out the belt (you have to remove the motor mount to replace). Other than that it's like my '98 SSEi, oil leaks and check engine light is on. 22-4 MPG. I like the ignition key placement on the pre-2001 models.

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I just bought my friends '97 Bonneville SSEi for $300, for my son to drive. Hail damage, broken outside mirror, gas gauge doesn't work and the air was leaking out from the recently new tires. The supercharger idler pulley went and took out the belt (you have to remove the motor mount to replace). Other than that it's like my '98 SSEi, oil leaks and check engine light is on. 22-4 MPG. I like the ignition key placement on the pre-2001 models.
Is the 22-24 mpg hwy only or is that a mix of city hwy? I was looking into SSEI models
looks like they have all the options. The supercharger sounds like a nice addition for xtra power.
If the supercharger goes sounds like would be $$$ to fix. Whats the reliability on them . Good price for the 97 even though the condition rough when you got it, but you were a aware of the problems. Nice cars.

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6 miles (2 stop signs), wait at light or get caught at train tracks. 5 miles and 4 more lights before freeway. 8 more miles before the lights start again. 6 more lights before workplace. 46 miles round trip. Long trips are usually 26-7 MPG.

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believe they are under recall for the cradle bushings as its a safety issue? Not sure of years but i know my 95 regal gs had them replaced for free...lol
That recall went out the door withthe bankruptcy or so the local dealer told a customer of mine that had the frame fall out of his Lesabre.

Those bushings are 300.00.

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A friend of mine has a 87 Buick Park Ave that has gotten up to 35 mpg. Filled before we left and refilled when we got to our destination, all Highway at 65-70 mph.
THe 85-88 3.8 is a whole different animal compared to the 89- up engines in the fuel economy dept.

You'll lose 5mpg with the newer engines but they're more dependable.

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