[2002TA]

Having a new engine built, anyone have any experiance with the Huricane manifold? I need to make a decission on it, a perfromer or the Torker II for my new 467 roller engine.

Thanks

[gunmetalgray67]

Run the Torker II. Performer will not breathe enough.

[Steve C.]

Cerrtianly cannot provide an opinion without some additional information about the entire package involved and it's intended use....... engine and drivetrain. Example, the differance between a Hurricane dual-plane intake compared to a Torker II single-plane intake is night and day.

[Ken -Ace- Brewer]

Huricane/Tomahawk is a single plane.

Ace

[2002TA]

Originally Posted by Steve C.

Cerrtianly cannot provide an opinion without some additional information about the entire package involved and it's intended use....... engine and drivetrain. Example, the differance between a Hurricane dual-plane intake compared to a Torker II single-plane intake is night and day.

1977 TA, 331 posi, will have 467 engine 550 est HP 580 torque using E-heads flowed to 300. Car weights 3,800. currently using a turbo 350 but may be going to a built 200R. Use of car is car shows, cruising, and an occassional trip to the strip.

[Steve C.]

My appoligies for the confustion, I had it on my mind the Hurricane was the "copy" of the Performer RPM intake. Got it confused with the Crosswind.

[GTOLou]

Given the above:

1) Qjet- I'd use a HSD or Tomahawk.

2) 4150 holley, I'd use a TII.

[screamingchief]

What ^^^^ he said.



Bret P.

[66bonne]

I've had very good success with the T2 and 2" open spacer. Still very streetable.

Jim

[rad400]

I agree with GTOLou

[steve]

Originally Posted by GTOLou

Given the above:

1) Qjet- I'd use a HSD or Tomahawk.

2) 4150 holley, I'd use a TII.

Why not an rpm ? If it's on the street most of the time isn't a manifold that gets good power low in the rpm range a better option ? That T2 isn't supposed to kick in till like 2500rpms. He has an auto too. Won't that make it worse unless he has a fancy stall convertor ? Please explain why a T2 is a better choice than an rpm.

[Old Goat Racer]

Has anyone used a Hurricane, if so what engine combo?

[66bonne]

Originally Posted by steve

Why not an rpm ? If it's on the street most of the time isn't a manifold that gets good power low in the rpm range a better option ? That T2 isn't supposed to kick in till like 2500rpms. He has an auto too. Won't that make it worse unless he has a fancy stall convertor ? Please explain why a T2 is a better choice than an rpm.

All I can do is offer my real world experience regarding the T2 and RPM: I ran the RPM for about four years on the combo listed in my signature. Liked it a lot, very streetable and did well at the strip with a best of 11.64 with 60 foots in the 1.6s.
I had heard the caveats regarding the T2 - ie loss of low end and loss of streetability.
I wanted to try a single plane T2 and got one from a friend. Put it on the motor and headed for the strip. If I had not changed the intake myself I would not have detected any difference from the RPM while driving it on the street. So much for a loss of street manners.
First pass out of the box and 60 foots were in the mid-1.5s. So much for a loss of low end. Time was 11.50; an improvement of .14 seconds and the only change I made was to the T2 [with 2" open spacer]. Stall on the convertor was 2500. Not too far above stock.
And that is why my own experience favors the T2. But to add another caveat: "Your results may vary." Both the RPM and T2 are good intakes, you really can't go wrong with either.

Jim

[goathead455]

Originally Posted by old goat racer

Has anyone used a Hurricane, if so what engine combo?

I run a Hurricane/Tomahawk.
455
280 cfm heads
Old Faithful cam
950 hp with 1" open spacer

Car is a 70 GTO with a TKO 600 and wieghs 4060 lbs with me in it.
3.73 gears
Best et is 11.79 @ 116 mph

[BVR421]

none of the above

[Schurkey]

Why in hell would you even consider a Communist Chinese intake manifold when there are alternatives made in the USA?

[Steve C.]

"will have 467 engine 550 est HP 580 torque using E-heads flowed to 300."

Curious, and to add fodder for conversation, how about providing more info to help determine those numbers above. Cam type and specs ? And where do you expect the combo to make peak power rpm ?
A friend built a 4.250 stroker with "cleaned" up 87cc Edelbrock heads, no port work, probably about 288 cfm or so at .600", RPM intake, 236 hyd flat tappet cam, Holley 750.... 570 ft.lbs torque and 508-518 hp. It made peak power at 5200/5300 rpm. Similar torque number but shy on the big hp numbers.
My previous 462 with 87cc Edelbrock 313 cfm heads and a XE 254 solid roller and Torker II made 576 ft.lbs torque and 566 hp. With RPM intake the torque jumped to 589 ft.lbs. torque and 580 hp at 5800 rpm.

Very important- what's missing with my personal 462 examples is how the two differant styles of intakes effected the TQ/HP curve. I'm a one finger typest

[screamingchief]

Ports on a torker II are smaller as SOP than the performer RPM.

Openings are 2.03" x 1.03" for the TII vs. 2.06" x 1.10" for the RPM.

That trend goes most all the way up into the plenum as well,at least as far as I have checked in the past.

So that kinda makes up some for the single vs. plane dual plane thing.

Understand that on any kinda ported heads,if the torker II is'nt port matched to that size,the intakes openings are gonna be waaayyy smaller than the ports will probably be.

I had to do quite a bit of port matching work to get my TII to match a fel-pro #1233 intake gasket.

Heads are 250ish CFM #96's (RAIV port sizing).

TII seems to be closer to the stock port size,and the RPM seems to be closer to the RAIV/H-O port size.

With the right port work,I've seen a couple TII's surpass the RPM and rival a victor,but that amazing feat has always taken some additional heli-arc welding on/around the intake ports/openings,as they did'nt leave much extra material around the ports of that intake.

I like the TII just fine myself.
I like the tomahawk/hurricane too.
I dont necessarily buy/discriminate based on country of origin.
I leave that to others to decide for themselves.
I like the RPM too.

But the OP did'nt ask us about the RPM,so I did'nt feel it was "in the running" here,especially seeing as they have a harder time fitting under the hood of a second gen bird.

Also,if I'm using a holley,I prefer the TII across the board.

Now should Edelbrock ever "go the extra mile" and make us a dedicated square bore flanged RPM intake,then wow is all I would be able to say,and that would likely become my new "go to" intake for street performance based pontiacs.

It would also be nice to see them make both the TII and the RPM in "skeletonized" version without the exhaust crossover provisions like those "other" intakes are made.

FWIW

Bret P.

[roadrage david]

Originally Posted by Schurkey

Why in hell would you even consider a Communist Chinese intake manifold when there are alternatives made in the USA?

People are waking up why dont you!!!..
Just for the fun of it. Resendly seen a Edelbrock factory intervieuw on tv.
funny how the manifolds say made in the USA , but they actualy said the roughf casting was from mexico!!!!!!!!!!!!.............. Now unless the intervieuwer was WRONG
this would be a bummer for some.
To me i dont think a engine would feel the diference, ore would have a self esteam problem
being a comunist chinees mexican beaner american crossbred!!. And if im looking at those type of cross bred females!! i cant say they are ugly hell they carry so mutch hybrid viger they are umongst the most good lookin females in the world!!!!!! not to mention there healty proportions..
As long as the product hase its end quality chekt bij the right people. That engine should be just fine just like the USA witch is the most crossed bred nation in the world.
Having said that you obviusly have no idea how many chinees parts are in USA build cars from the factory.. thussend Buick have a car plant in China!!!!!!!!!umongst others....AS for the diferense in the RPM and the T II manifold . i learnd that the T II soften up the botom a bit so that you have more ""grip"" at the start and less wheel spin..

[screamingchief]

Originally Posted by roadrage david

Just for the fun of it. Resendly seen a Edelbrock factory intervieuw on tv.
funny how the manifolds say made in the USA , but they actualy said the roughf casting was from mexico!!!!!!!!!!!!.............. Now unless the intervieuwer was WRONG

Sorry RRD,he was likely wrong or was misquoted,Edelbrock has it's own foundry here in the US.

Originally Posted by the Edelbrock website

Our Aluminum Foundry is located in San Jacinto,California. Our sand-cast foundry has been called “the most state-of-the-art foundry west of the Mississippi.” In 2007 we will be adding a new Permanent Mold and Heat Treat facility next to our existing sand cast foundry, an over 8 million dollar commitment to “Made in USA” products and performance.

Now that's not to say that some of the stuff they (Edelbrock) offer might indeed be cast or made elsewhere outside the US,after all it is a big company that offers all sorts of products for all sorts of vehicles,but it would seem to be more than likely that the bulk of the more popular stuff Edelbrock casts like heads & intakes would indeed be cast in their foundry in Cali.



Bret P.