[60man]

Originally Posted by NoMoCEO

He's full of crap. You can't drive 60mph on electric only. Chevy Volt or Nissan Leaf for sure, but that's not how a Prius is set up. If you put the Prius in EV mode and try to go faster than parking lot speeds, it shuts down and states "cancelled due to excessive acceleration"

The "Hyper Milers" may have found a sweet spot at that speed but it has nothing to do with switching from electric to gas.

OK...

[Tripower455]

Originally Posted by wytnyt

i run the speed limits
i give proper signals
i allow 1 car length per 10 mph before i move over
now who is breaking the law?,,me or the speeder?
oh wait i see,,i should modify my driving to accommodate someone who is driving recklessly---yeah sure
if they care so little about their life than to speed,,far be it for me to deny them
to me these jerks are putting MY life and EVERYONE around them when they speed

Sorry, but doing what you described a few posts up is far more reckless than letting the guy pass you before changing lanes. Period. You're INTENTIONALLY putting another driver in even more danger when you could do otherwise.

There are enough morons that don't know how to drive doing stupid stuff by mistake, but to purposely do it, especially by a professional driver, is truly frightening. You're making a "dangerous" situation (a guy exceeding the limit to pass) a whole lot more dangerous. On purpose.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Good thing most truckers don't drive like that. I respect the hell out of those guys, mainly because 90% of them are very professional, predictable and SAFE. Maneuvering 80k lbs of vehicle around the average morons driving around has to be maddening.

After seeing several big trucks lose their treads over the years I give them wide berth. I witnessed one accident from far too close a vantage point because of blown tire.... an accident that could've been prevented completely if the guy had simply exceeded the limit by a few mph to pass the truck. Instead, he paced the truck at EXACTLY the speed limit for miles on end, only to take a piece of tread in the windshield. shattering it. The havoc that ensued amongst the 100 cars piled up behind him, as he swerved all over the road before pulling over was unreal. Yeah, good thing he did the safe thing and drove exactly the limit.

I always pass trucks as quickly as possible. Even if that means exceeding the limit.


Do you really believe that the guy passing you at 5-10 over the limit is more dangerous than the guy intentionally cutting him off? Do you truly believe that "you're life is in danger" as he goes by, and that you're making the situation safer by doing the above? Please.......

As far as speed limits go.... The national speed limit when I started driving was 55. Driving 70 when it was 55 was unsafe, but now that the speed limit is 70 on the same roads, it's now magically safe? In many cases, the posted speed limit is a revenue enhancing tool for the local and state coffers.

[wytnyt]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

Tankers don't like sudden stops or changes in direction, keep that in mind when your around any tanker, not just fuel. Fuel tankers just can have a lot worse results than say a milk tanker.

i agree,but most drivers that think its their right to drive however they feel just dont have a clue
''they got 18 wheels'' why cant they stop faster

[60man]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

"Driving while "smug".One of the better ones.

X2 Bill ..

[60man]

Originally Posted by wytnyt

and while driving,looking ahead theres miles and miles of congestion,,its safer to zip past them all at a high rate of speed and this is safer--how?





we arent talking about a sunday drive on a country road but on a major highway where traffic is so dense,..finding gaps in traffic is a major chore in itself
on major roads theres ALWAYS someone beside or near you [unless your a special permit holder ]



thats not possible on bumper to bumper highways,,,uunless your a special permit holder where you can race past miles of traffic



what if the car beside you is doing the speed limit?,what gives you the right to pass?
what if EVERYONE drove using your logic?




when others are doing the posted speed limits,,you have NO other option unless you want to fall back in traffic and obey the law.

im sorry if i appear to be ragging on you but your type of logic is the no.1 reason for accidents
but society think their above rules,,laws,,regulations
rules dont apply to them
they must get that one car ahead
nothing else matters but what THEY want

post # 40 REALLY needs implemented

Gee...wonder who post #40 was ??..
No offence intened...don't take it that way..it's simply your opinion..
I'm sorry but I'm not going to drive the way you think I should...I don't expect you to drive like I want you to....I'll just pass you if I feel the need..safely !! I won't tailgate you,blow horn,switch lanes like some damn fool...I'll just flash lights and hope you respect my right too...If you don't move...I won't get bent out of shape...I'll just wait you out.. If I'm endangering other people ...that's different...I'm only talking about 5-10 MPH....not 85-90 MPH...In my case it's about a effecient operating Speed/RPM range. Got to use comon sense..and not get all bent out of shape..
In my 03 Bonnie...I could care less...I'm not towing 9k trailer..All I'm saying is maybe there is a valid reason someone wants to pass you when you are only going speed limit...not for you to judge..

[wytnyt]

Originally Posted by Tripower455

Sorry, but doing what you described a few posts up is far more reckless than letting the guy pass you before changing lanes. Period. You're INTENTIONALLY putting another driver in even more danger when you could do otherwise.

There are enough morons that don't know how to drive doing stupid stuff by mistake, but to purposely do it, especially by a professional driver, is truly frightening. You're making a "dangerous" situation (a guy exceeding the limit to pass) a whole lot more dangerous. On purpose.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Good thing most truckers don't drive like that. I respect the hell out of those guys, mainly because 90% of them are very professional, predictable and SAFE. Maneuvering 80k lbs of vehicle around the average morons driving around has to be maddening.

After seeing several big trucks lose their treads over the years I give them wide berth I witnessed one accident from far too close a vantage point because of it.... an accident that could've been prevented completely if the guy had simply exceeded the limit by a few mph to pass the truck. Instead, he paced the truck at EXACTLY the speed limit for miles on end, only to take a piece of tread in the windshield. shattering it. The havoc that ensued amongst the 100 cars piled up behind him, as he swerved all over the road before pulling over was unreal. Yeah, good thing he did the safe thing and drove exactly the limit.

I always pass trucks as quickly as possible. Even if that means exceeding the limit.


Do you really believe that the guy passing you at 5-10 over the limit is more dangerous than the guy intentionally cutting him off? Do you truly believe that "you're life is in danger" as he goes by, and that you're making the situation safer by doing the above? Please.......

As far as speed limits go.... The national speed limit when I started driving was 55. Driving 70 when it was 55 was unsafe, but now that the speed limit is 70 on the same roads, it's now magically safe? In many cases, the posted speed limit is a revenue enhancing tool for the local and state coffers.

your right,,two wrongs does not make a right
but in your situation,,your speeding is the only wrong,i follow the rules
im not in you car,i dont know your speed,i dont have radar
i give 6-10 car lengths before i pull out
its not my fault 40-50 car lenths are needed BECAUSE YOU DECIDE TO SPEED
bottom line is your logic is wrong,,like they say
you cant teach an old dog new tricks
im done with this topic,,
some people are an accident looking for a place to happen.

[wytnyt]

Originally Posted by 60man

Gee...wonder who post #40 was ??..
No offence intened...don't take it that way..it's simply your opinion..
I'm sorry but I'm not going to drive the way you think I should...I don't expect you to drive like I want you to....I'll just pass you if I feel the need..safely !! I won't tailgate you,blow horn,switch lanes like some damn fool...I'll just flash lights and hope you respect my right too...If you don't move...I won't get bent out of shape...I'll just wait you out.. If I'm endangering other people ...that's different...I'm only talking about 5-10 MPH....not 85-90 MPH...In my case it's about a effecient operating Speed/RPM range. Got to use comon sense..and not get all bent out of shape..
In my 03 Bonnie...I could care less...I'm not towing 9k trailer..All I'm saying is maybe there is a valid reason someone wants to pass you when you are only going speed limit...not for you to judge..

if everyone thought this,,i wouldnt have to witness every day mangled people that were killed from people that thought they owned the road
if there were a valid reason for speeding then id agree,but thats one of the functions of emergency flashers

[Tripower455]

Originally Posted by wytnyt

your right,,two wrongs does not make a right
but in your situation,,your speeding is the only wrong,i follow the rules
im not in you car,i dont know your speed,i dont have radar
i give 6-10 car lengths before i pull out
its not my fault 40-50 car lenths are needed BECAUSE YOU DECIDE TO SPEED
bottom line is your logic is wrong,,like they say
you cant teach an old dog new tricks
im done with this topic,,
some people are an accident looking for a place to happen.

You made the comment that you take pleasure in intentionally messing with cars going faster than you are. And you accuse me of flawed logic?

If safety were your number one concern, you'd let him pass you and then change lanes, legal or not. Just because you are doing the speed limit or under doesn't mean you can't be reckless. Intentionally doing something less safe than the alternative is the definition of reckless.

The bottom line is that 5-10 over is not always unsafe, and certainly safer than your aforementioned "habit", legal or not.

FWIW, I always drive as if I were riding a motorcycle. I pay attention and do whatever it takes to avoid an accident, (even the "acceptable" parade kiss). I've been in 4 accidents (3 sideswipes and one rear end) in my 29 years of driving, and every one was the other guys fault. 3 were in my 20' long red and white F-250, that the other drivers didn't "see" (probably because they weren't looking). All occurred well under the speed limit. All but the rear end would've been avoided if I could've passed the rolling road block.

[hopper146]

Originally Posted by wytnyt

we at work have our own driving ''habits''
we will run in the right lane following someone doing below the limit and look for some azzhole thats barreling ass in the left lane,,well flip the signal on and move over to pass the slower vehicle in front.
nothing more entertaining than to see speeders front end drop with smoke rolling off their tires trying to avoid hitting us in our ass
of course our vehicles weigh between 54-81000 lbs,so it would be like a gnat smacking us.
and the best part,were legally in the right and always plenty of witnesses to verify it.or just run the vehicles computer to check driving log

Nice driving habits. I might feel like a gnat when I bumped you, but I sure would not after you stopped. Some of us are rather ornery and don't put up with others trying to end our lives.

[60man]

Originally Posted by wytnyt

if everyone thought this,,i wouldnt have to witness every day mangled people that were killed from people that thought they owned the road
if there were a valid reason for speeding then id agree,but thats one of the functions of emergency flashers

GIve me a break.....how am I going to mangle people runing 60 MPH....If I drop below 2,600 RPM I loose my turbo boost and truck crawls..But you don't drive a truck towing a trailer....so you don't have a clue or care appearently..Think you missed my point..
One other question...Do you own the road..??!! Last I heard it was a public highway system..not a private deal..
When I put my emergery flashers on and slow down to 45 MPH on a grade...I hope you are stuck behind me...
What do you consider speeding? 56 in a 55...get real. Do you really see mangled/killed people every day !!

[wytnyt]

Originally Posted by 60man

GIve me a break.....how am I going to mangle people runing 60 MPH....If I drop below 2,600 RPM I loose my turbo boost and truck crawls..But you don't drive a truck towing a trailer....so you don't have a clue or care appearently..Think you missed my point..
One other question...Do you own the road..??!! Last I heard it was a public highway system..not a private deal..
When I put my emergery flashers on and slow down to 45 MPH on a grade...I hope you are stuck behind me...
Do you really see mangled/killed people every day !!

running 60 wasnt the issue 60man,,,running 20+ or so was,,you have lower gears to increase and maintain your rpm.and no i dont drive a truck towing a trailer
i tow the trucks that have trailers,,so count your weight and add mine [55 -81k] and thats what im managing.
do reckless speeders own the road?,,i never implied i did but i obey the rules unlike some think its their right to speed.
no i dont see mangled people EVERY day and when i dont its a good day.
but i have seen so much more than the average person and it stays with you.

[stimpy]

Originally Posted by 60man

GIve me a break.....how am I going to mangle people runing 60 MPH....If I drop below 2,600 RPM I loose my turbo boost and truck crawls..But you don't drive a truck towing a trailer....so you don't have a clue or care appearently..Think you missed my point..
One other question...Do you own the road..??!! Last I heard it was a public highway system..not a private deal..
When I put my emergery flashers on and slow down to 45 MPH on a grade...I hope you are stuck behind me...
What do you consider speeding? 56 in a 55...get real. Do you really see mangled/killed people every day !!

60 , do what we do in the big trucks when you see the grade ahead downshift a gear to build up horsepower and boost on the motor that way the engine will lug less and it will run cooler as its working easier ,

when I was taking the smith system of driving we where told to try to space out the distance , which is impossible to do as every idiot thinks that space is ment for them when they pass us , I don't haul light liquid or tight fill loads ( haul heavy alkalis and Acid s) , my loads only fill 1/2 to 3/4 of the tank and not baffled so hthey slosh in all dirrections , in a quick change of lanes I have to accellerate to push the product back to the back of the tank so it won't flip the truck over( also its part of the law of physics to change direction you have to accellerate in another direction) , in 20 years of hauling this stuff Ionly had one near rollover as the product wasn't moving right and it walked up the sides of the trailer and tried to flip it . I had the back tandem on the one side about 4 " off the pavement , I admit It was my fault for not paying attention to what was going on in front of me . but there is a reason they call it a limit , the sign dosen't say aproxamitely .

as for mangling people well 60 , I can try to send you some real nice accident pictures from cars and pick up towing trailers at slower speeds courtesy of several fire depts . they aren't pretty ,one I was shown I saw a nice car ( early 70's chevelle ) on top of the tow vehicle ( crew cab ford dually) , with the driver and passengers under it . tow straps ( 10K rated ) broke while the guy was trying to stop quickly from 45 mph trying to miss a deer . the car travelled thru the front of the enclosed trailer and stopped only after it took the cab roof off the truck .

[guccieng]

slower traffic keep right. why is this so hard for some people to understand? notice it has nothing to with any speed limit.

[SRR]

The major cause of accidents are driving too fast for road conditions, road rage, not paying attention and just plain lack of skill. Driving school is a joke. They should be teaching "Big rig etiquette" Right or wrong tangle with a big rig and you lose. Period. I haven't had a ticket in over 20 years and have never had an accident that wasn't me getting rear ended by someone NOT paying attention. I drive for a living and get cut off and have inattentive morons pull out in front of me everyday. I learned to just shrug it off and not stress over it.

[2002Z4CSS]

They must be trying to keep that POS in the hybrid mode.

[60man]

Originally Posted by wytnyt

running 60 wasnt the issue 60man,,,running 20+ or so was,,you have lower gears to increase and maintain your rpm.and no i dont drive a truck towing a trailer
i tow the trucks that have trailers,,so count your weight and add mine [55 -81k] and thats what im managing.
do reckless speeders own the road?,,i never implied i did but i obey the rules unlike some think its their right to speed.
no i dont see mangled people EVERY day and when i dont its a good day.
but i have seen so much more than the average person and it stays with you.

I know you are referring to excessive speeders and you are correct to condem them...but if you are running 55 & I want/need to run 60-65... what's the big deal.. I only have three gears + OD in this E4OD...not a14 or 16 speed Road Ranger or newer 6 & 8 speed autos. ..Once I slow down to below 2,400-2,600 I'm dead..Then I get cussed for being slow !! Can't win.. If you are a commercial over the road driver then finding a gear to maintain speed is no problem....for you. I hear ya Stimpy...I have driven many different trucks (NO OTR rigs)in my time...not my first rodeo. I spent 17 years as a career Firefighter in the I495/I95 DC metro area and I have pretty well saw way to many mangled injured people every day.....but not fatalities every day/night thank God. And yes...the bad incidents hang with you..Most a result of STUPID driving behavior...not people running 5 mph over limit..
All I'm saying is....just be cool and don't judge others..even slow Prius drivers..
Happy Holidays Peeps..

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by stimpy

60 , do what we do in the big trucks when you see the grade ahead downshift a gear to build up horsepower and boost on the motor that way the engine will lug less and it will run cooler as its working easier ,

when I was taking the smith system of driving we where told to try to space out the distance , which is impossible to do as every idiot thinks that space is ment for them when they pass us , I don't haul light liquid or tight fill loads ( haul heavy alkalis and Acid s) , my loads only fill 1/2 to 3/4 of the tank and not baffled so hthey slosh in all dirrections , in a quick change of lanes I have to accellerate to push the product back to the back of the tank so it won't flip the truck over( also its part of the law of physics to change direction you have to accellerate in another direction) , in 20 years of hauling this stuff Ionly had one near rollover as the product wasn't moving right and it walked up the sides of the trailer and tried to flip it . I had the back tandem on the one side about 4 " off the pavement , I admit It was my fault for not paying attention to what was going on in front of me . but there is a reason they call it a limit , the sign dosen't say aproxamitely .

as for mangling people well 60 , I can try to send you some real nice accident pictures from cars and pick up towing trailers at slower speeds courtesy of several fire depts . they aren't pretty ,one I was shown I saw a nice car ( early 70's chevelle ) on top of the tow vehicle ( crew cab ford dually) , with the driver and passengers under it . tow straps ( 10K rated ) broke while the guy was trying to stop quickly from 45 mph trying to miss a deer . the car travelled thru the front of the enclosed trailer and stopped only after it took the cab roof off the truck .

If all of the traffic agencies in this country would teach the Smith system and people would follow it it would be like night and day with the difference it would make. Sadly that will never happen and the way that younger drivers will learn is by wrecking cars, and that the way they drive and what they were doing, they were learning by example of others that think they are the one and only on the road and everyone else has the duty to watch out for them.

The Smith system has 5 major components that they teach and if followed they will make you a much better, safer, driver, you don't have to be a Semi driver for them to apply either.

1) Aim high in steering.

2) Get the big picture.

3) Keep your eyes moving.

4) Leave yourself an out.

5) Make sure they see you.

Link to Smith driving system: http://www.smith-system.com/

If your looking for a Christmas gift for any driver, especially a newer recent one on your list one of their DVD s would make a great gift, it might even save their life at some point. A much better gift than most any thing else I can think of. The best part many people could watch it and become better drivers, parents, grand parents, other teens included. A gift that would truly keep on giving. Okay my public service announcement is over.................................

[Tripower455]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

If all of the traffic agencies in this country would teach the Smith system and people would follow it it would be like night and day with the difference it would make. Sadly that will never happen and the way that younger drivers will learn is by wrecking cars, and that the way they drive and what they were doing, they were learning by example of others that think they are the one and only on the road and everyone else has the duty to watch out for them.

The Smith system has 5 major components that they teach and if followed they will make you a much better, safer, driver, you don't have to be a Semi driver for them to apply either.

1) Aim high in steering.

2) Get the big picture.

3) Keep your eyes moving.

4) Leave yourself an out.

5) Make sure they see you.

Link to Smith driving system: http://www.smith-system.com/

If your looking for a Christmas gift for any driver, especially a newer recent one on your list one of their DVD s would make a great gift, it might even save their life at some point. A much better gift than most any thing else I can think of. The best part many people could watch it and become better drivers, parents, grand parents, other teens included. A gift that would truly keep on giving. Okay my public service announcement is over.................................

Great PSA and an awesome idea!

I learned the Smith System in HS drivers ed almost 30 years ago, although I had forgotten what it was called. It makes just as much sense now as it did then. Too bad most folks don't seem to use it.

[60man]

Originally Posted by Tripower455

Great PSA and an awesome idea!

I learned the Smith System in HS drivers ed almost 30 years ago, although I had forgotten what it was called. It makes just as much sense now as it did then. Too bad most folks don't seem to use it.

Yeah....when I took those courses they were Defensive Driving..I am a safe driver...I sure as hell don't whip out in front of someone just to see them possibly loose control of their vehicle because I think they are speeding......very poor attitude..No tickets or accidents (my fault) since 16...lets see.....53 years ago !! I was at a dead stop and a teenager texting rammed me in the rear.....he was only going 55 too...sorry ..I couldn't resist..

[60man]

Originally Posted by wytnyt

we at work have our own driving ''habits''
we will run in the right lane following someone doing below the limit and look for some azzhole thats barreling ass in the left lane,,well flip the signal on and move over to pass the slower vehicle in front.
nothing more entertaining than to see speeders front end drop with smoke rolling off their tires trying to avoid hitting us in our ass
of course our vehicles weigh between 54-81000 lbs,so it would be like a gnat smacking us.
and the best part,were legally in the right and always plenty of witnesses to verify it.or just run the vehicles computer to check driving log

Sorry....but I think you are the azzhole there Sir...You are sure you won't feel anything but care less for your fellow man...Running the speed limit does not get you out of gross negligent behavior if you purposely cut him off .....!! You are not Judge & Jury.....neither am I..You are out looking for trouble..JMO...What company do you drive for??
Now I am done with you Sir...no win situation.. or might get suspended on PY.....