[roundportponchos]

I hope he gets 10x that treatment he gave, while in the Pen!!

Originally Posted by Uncle Judge

I would pull the switch on this sick bastard! I had no idea!

http://www.google.com/search?source=...q=david+abston

[Cammer-6]

Originally Posted by steved400

It was a four speed car, I don't think it would have had lines for that but didn't they have them for the power steering pump? I do not remember if it was a power steering car; but I'm thinking maybe it was manual steering when I drove it.

I'm curious; has anyone even run the numbers to know for a fact it's a IV car?

Dave built this car back before Pontiac was officially releasing invoices; and while I know Dave had the conections to get parts, I do not know if he was connected enough to get an invoice.

PS and PDB were standard

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by steved400

Dave was well contacted with the correct people to secure any RAIV that he needed, 100% fact.

And something else that just popped in my head. The first time I saw the car a key RA IV peice was missing; don't get me to lying because that was a long time ago, but I want to say it had a cheap chrome air cleaner assembly on it. The next time I saw it; he had the goods including the screen over the carb, at which time I do remember for sure asking him where he had gotten that. I remember clearly he said "you wouldn't believe the trouble I had to go through to get that part"; maybe one of the few lies he didn't tell.

since it has been brought out, yes it was missing the ra pan when he got it. but why would it have it on it with a 350 engine in it. he paid dearly at the time for the correct one and was very worried about finding one. also, back then you couldnt get a set of new cooling lines and they hand made a set by using the ones off of my car as a pattern. i dont recall if they ever put them on it or not.

again, i am not trying to just bash this car, it is one of the nicest ones i have ever seen and it ran fantastic and pulled hard all the way up to 6500 rpm in first thru third gear and i would shut it down at around five grand in fourth gear. no idea how fast i was going because the speedo was never hooked up.

too bad he turned out to be a gay child molester, when i first met him, he was actually a pretty cool guy to hang out with and talk cars. and he loved to beat the living daylights out of them no matter how nice they were. i just wish someone would have listened to me back then it would have probably saved alot of ruined lives of innocent little boys. worse yet was why he was fired from the muskogee police force and the cover up behind it. in my opinion that police chief should be in prison also. steved can tell that story, he knew all the details behind it.

[ramair2]

"How do the numbers fall out? 54 built, approximately half are known to exist including 8 of the 9 automatics. So out of 27 (approx) cars, 19 4spds, maybe half of which are running/driving cars and maybe half again that are numbers matching? Does anybody (Matt?) know the actual numbers?

I don't think this car still sits at the top of what is a very small heap. JMHO"

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Good question/point Boss. I'm not sure we know for certain. This is what I am aware of...

My IV TA has its matching drivetrain and I believe roundportponcho's IV is matching as well. Both are fully restored.

I believe Garys D's and Rob L's examples are matching too. I also know of another in the NE that is matching.

All 5 of these 69 RA IV TAs are 4speeds.

I also know of 10 other 69 RA IV TA's scattered about (ie 15 in all). A few are autos and the rest are 4speeds. Each of these 10 have either SR blocks or some other replacement motor.

To my knowledge, I am only aware of two fully restored matching numbers 69 RA IV TA 4speeds.

And before the Pontiac/PY police flips out.... I am -sure- a few other matching numbers, restored 4speed examples -out of the ~35 4speeds not specifically accounted for above- exist (and may even be identified later here in this thread). I'm just listing what I know.

In any case, Bosssman is right. The list is a very short one especially when it comes to matching numbers examples that still exist...

[gregsgtos2]

There is one here that is almost done-fully restored.

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by ramair2

"How do the numbers fall out? 54 built, approximately half are known to exist including 8 of the 9 automatics. So out of 27 (approx) cars, 19 4spds, maybe half of which are running/driving cars and maybe half again that are numbers matching? Does anybody (Matt?) know the actual numbers?

I don't think this car still sits at the top of what is a very small heap. JMHO"

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Good question/point Boss. I'm not sure we know for certain. This is what I am aware of...

My IV TA has its matching drivetrain and I believe roundportponcho's IV is matching as well. Both are fully restored.

I believe Garys D's and Rob L's examples are matching too. I also know of another in the NE that is matching.

All 5 of these 69 RA IV TAs are 4speeds.

I also know of 10 other 69 RA IV TA's scattered about (ie 15 in all). A few are autos and the rest are 4speeds. Each of these 10 have either SR blocks or some other replacement motor.

To my knowledge, I am only aware of two fully restored matching numbers 69 RA IV TA 4speeds.

And before the Pontiac/PY police flips out.... I am -sure- a few other matching numbers, restored 4speed examples -out of the ~35 4speeds not specifically accounted for above- exist (and may even be identified later here in this thread). I'm just listing what I know.

In any case, Bosssman is right. The list is a very short one especially when it comes to matching numbers examples that still exist...

joe, actually mine has an SR block. it is a 4 speed with tach and gauges. if anyone knows of the original block, i would love to know.

[Steve Hoog]

Gary, you only have 1? I find that hard to believe

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by steved400

Gary, you only have 1? I find that hard to believe

only 1 69 ra4 t/a 2 69 ra4 firebirds.

tell the story about officer dave being removed from the force and the coverup that followed. i dont remember all the details as to how it came about. i know why, but not how it materialized.

[Steve Hoog]

You only have 1 IV of all those in your stall? Or are we just talking running?

Bash Dave day....

He was either OHP or MPD, not sure which. Working PR maybe at Hilldale HS; story goes he was caught with an under age boy and a deal was cut with the mom to keep it quite for a pay off and he left the force sometime near 1980. I don't know if it was true or not; but he did find himself out of law enforcement at that time period.

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by ramair2

I also know of another in the NE that is matching.

All 5 of these 69 RA IV TAs are 4speeds.

I also know of 10 other 69 RA IV TA's scattered about (ie 15 in all). A few are autos and the rest are 4speeds. Each of these 10 have either SR blocks or some other replacement motor.

To my knowledge, I am only aware of two fully restored matching numbers 69 RA IV TA 4speeds.

The one in NE is numbers matching, is unrestored with a single repaint that it probably didn't need, is a strong #2 car that has never been apart and doesn't get driven nearly as much as it should.

Maybe the owner will get on here and explain why he doesn't drive it!

There is also supposed to be one in the NYC area, although the owner has spoken of it, I'm not sure anybody has ever laid eyes on it - I don't recall what the condition of it is.

[ramair2]

Sorry Gary, my bad, I thought yours still had its original block. PM me with the EUN and/or VIN and I'll keep my eyes out for you should a WH pop up anywhere near me...

PS K.S.'s freshly restored IV...This was Legacie's old ride with an SR block, no?

[Ram4TA]

Chris, It comes out now and then this was this fall.

[The Boss]

Oh, there it is....last time I saw it it was up on a lift with a cover on it and a car parked under it.

Feel free to cruise on up to my house or better yet when I get the barn built you can store it here.

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by Ram4TA

Chris, It comes out now and then this was this fall.

parchment interior ra4 !! is that probably the only ra 4 in a non blue interior ??? looks nice. 4 speed or auto???

[The Boss]

3 pedals & a shifter Gary - bought off the field at Carlisle - great story on the deal too - but I'll let him tell that story.

[gregsgtos2]

Yes,Miles old car with a SR block. Heading to Seattle real soon.

[Transamric]

Originally Posted by ramair2

"How do the numbers fall out? 54 built, approximately half are known to exist including 8 of the 9 automatics. So out of 27 (approx) cars, 19 4spds, maybe half of which are running/driving cars and maybe half again that are numbers matching? Does anybody (Matt?) know the actual numbers?

I don't think this car still sits at the top of what is a very small heap. JMHO"

Good question/point Boss. I'm not sure we know for certain. This is what I am aware of...

My IV TA has its matching drivetrain and I believe roundportponcho's IV is matching as well. Both are fully restored.

I believe Garys D's and Rob L's examples are matching too. I also know of another in the NE that is matching.

All 5 of these 69 RA IV TAs are 4speeds.

I also know of 10 other 69 RA IV TA's scattered about (ie 15 in all). A few are autos and the rest are 4speeds. Each of these 10 have either SR blocks or some other replacement motor.

To my knowledge, I am only aware of two fully restored matching numbers 69 RA IV TA 4speeds.

And before the Pontiac/PY police flips out.... I am -sure- a few other matching numbers, restored 4speed examples -out of the ~35 4speeds not specifically accounted for above- exist (and may even be identified later here in this thread). I'm just listing what I know.

In any case, Bosssman is right. The list is a very short one especially when it comes to matching numbers examples that still exist...

Are you counting the one in FL?

[gregsgtos2]

There is a #matching car here in Indiana-about 40 minutes from me. 4 speed car.