[Baron Von Zeppelin]

A guy i know has a 68 GTO - he has been fixing it up slowly for years.
He brought it by my place Saturday. First time i've seen it.
He isn't big on all GTO/Pontiac specifics.

It has a chrome front bumper.
He never mentioned this before.

Are there things to tell the difference between 68 GTO chrome front bumper/grilles versus Tempest/Lemans chrome front bumper/grilles ?

Its a Hardtop Red / Parchment int, HO 360hp matching numbers (WS - fresh rebuild), 4spd, Air Cond, Hood Tach, Gauge cluster, and probably more options also.

I was about to leave when he pulled up - so didn't get to fine tooth comb the car.
He won't be getting the PHS.

Just wondering if there is a way to tell between the chrome frt bumps.
Even still - if it is a correct piece - i guess only the PHS would tell if it actually came that way or not. Just curious if it is a correct GTO frt bumper assy.
First one i've seen in person.

He wants to sell it now. Fairly decent unfinished driver quality, with a fresh paint job that he kinda got screwed on. He's gonna bail out and lose money.

[Brent Flynn]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

A guy i know has a 68 GTO - he has been fixing it up slowly for years.
He brought it by my place Saturday. First time i've seen it.
He isn't big on all GTO/Pontiac specifics.

It has a chrome front bumper.
He never mentioned this before.

Are there things to tell the difference between 68 GTO chrome front bumper/grilles versus Tempest/Lemans chrome front bumper/grilles ?

Its a Hardtop Red / Parchment int, HO 360hp matching numbers (WS - fresh rebuild), 4spd, Air Cond, Hood Tach, Gauge cluster, and probably more options also.

I was about to leave when he pulled up - so didn't get to fine tooth comb the car.
He won't be getting the PHS.

Just wondering if there is a way to tell between the chrome frt bumps.
Even still - if it is a correct piece - i guess only the PHS would tell if it actually came that way or not. Just curious if it is a correct GTO frt bumper assy.
First one i've seen in person.

He wants to sell it now. Fairly decent unfinished driver quality, with a fresh paint job that he kinda got screwed on. He's gonna bail out and lose money.

I had a Verdoro Green Chrome bumper GTO... back in the late 80's... i think the grilles are same as LeMans grilles...except for GTO emblem,, but im not sure... someone had removed the 400...put in a 301 in front of the 3spd trans(my brother in law bought it before i owned it), atleast im pretty sure it had a 3spd... coulda been a saginaw out of somethin else... but, it was a snail, thats for sure. I like the chrome bumper cars...they only made 2100 or so of them. Mine was real good shape too...needing minor body repair...shoulda kept it!!

[Aus Goat]

[QUOTE] think the grilles are same as LeMans grilles...except for GTO emblem/QUOTE]
yes you are right. GTO emblem is a two pin emblem ( 1967 ) works fine

68 model seems to have a small nose (chrome )
69 seems to have a larger hose section.
This is what i have seen over different sites / books . http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...1&d=1295256908

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thanks for the info so far.
I know he won't send in for PHS.

242 VIN, and VIN coded WS engine - is all he cares about.

Wonder what the PHS Invoice says on a chrome front bumper car ?

[68pongto]

There should be a 674 code on the billing history from PHS. If box 67 has a 4 in it, it is an endura delete. Scott

[codyyy]

Like what was said, PHS would tell you if the bumper is original or not. I bought my '68 with a chrome bumper on it, it was Verdoro green originally but the PHS doesn't say it was an Endura delete car. Still kinda baffles me why they would swap a chrome bumper on since from what I can tell all the other body panels are original. However this car may have seen some races and I am told the chrome bumper is a lot lighter weight.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thanks for the box 67-4 info , Pongto.
Good that PHS uses BHC instead of Invoice for 1968.
Anything thats either/or - or no charge - wouldn't reflect on an Invoice.



Codyyy, the enduras are definitely much heavier than the chromies.
Well .... like 20-25 lbs, from memory of the feel of removing both types on parts cars - 20 years ago.

[John Eiseman]

I recently parted a 68 Endura delete or chrome bumper. It appeard to be identical to the 68 Tempest Custom parts car that I'm parting. No differences except the GTO emblem.

[codyyy]

I'd personally get the PHS for the car anyway. It isn't too much money but is definitely worth having. It's like having a pedigree for the car.

[cuz68]

Have you done a search on PY? I do not think they are the same.

[PaulatFast]

Definately the same. There is always confusion as someone will post a pic of that god awful 69 chrome bumper on a 68 LeMans or GTO as a reference. All 68's that recieved the chrome nose, recieved the same part. No 69 GTO's recieved a chrome nose, btw.

[68pongto]

Originally Posted by PaulatFast

god awful 69 chrome bumper.

Agreed! The 69 is butt-ugly, what were they thinking? Someone sat at a meeting and said "You know what Bob, I think this new design does look better!" Scott