[big hammer]

Originally Posted by sleepy

You were expecting a different outcome to that pole here? I wonder what the results would be on a dodge or ford site? You're still a three year old in walmart screeching because his parents wouldn't buy the toy he wanted.

it's more of a poll than a pole.

[wytnyt]

yawn

[sleepy]

Originally Posted by big hammer

it's more of a poll than a pole.

Good catch, Mr spellcheck.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by sleepy

Good catch, Mr spellcheck.

You should capitalize the first letter of a proper noun.

[sleepy]

Originally Posted by The Champ

I'd just like to remind folks, that we have GM employees on this board also.

And at least one of those individuals has much involvement in a product that has been attacked profusely on this board..

Are those the same GM employees who put brake Assembly's in cars without pads? Who sent them out to dealers? Who sent their customers out on the street without the pads?(what happened to the dealers prep they charge for?) Are they THOSE GM employees???

[sleepy]

Originally Posted by big hammer

You should capitalize the first letter of a proper noun.

I went to public school with union teachers, What do you expect?

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by sleepy

Are those the same GM employees who put brake Assembly's in cars without pads? Who sent them out to dealers? Who sent their customers out on the street without the pads?(what happened to the dealers prep they charge for?) Are they THOSE GM employees???

Originally Posted by sleepy

I went to public school with union teachers, What do you expect?

blame the union.....

[Featherburner]

Originally Posted by sleepy

I went to public school with union teachers, What do you expect?

Way to blame under-payed overworked people for your shortcomings!

[sleepy]

You're saying Union members are under paid and over worked? I thought they were in the union to keep the evil corporations from doing that.

[Featherburner]

Originally Posted by sleepy

You're saying Union members are under paid and over worked?

I'm saying, most teachers, union or not, are overworked and under-paid.

Originally Posted by sleepy

I thought they were in the union to keep the evil corporations from doing that.

Thinking comes from not knowing! They really have no choice in joining the union.

[sleepy]

This is a list a union stooge (member of my family) posted on facebook.
They really are brainwashed.


‎36 Reasons Why You Should Thank a Union
1.Weekends
2.All Breaks at Work, incl...uding your Lunch Breaks
3.Paid Vacation
4.FMLA
5.Sick Leave
6.Social Security
7.Minimum Wage
8.Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
9.8-Hour Work Day
10.Overtime Pay
11.Child Labor Laws
12.Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
13.40 Hour Work Week
14.Worker’s Compensation (Worker’s Comp)
15.Unemployment Insurance
16.Pensions
17.Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
18.Employer Health Care Insurance
19.Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
20.Wrongful Termination Laws
21.Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
22.Whistleblower Protection Laws
23.Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
24.Veteran’s Employment and Training Services (VETS)
25.Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
26.Sexual Harassment Laws
27.Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
28.Holiday Pay
29.Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
30.Privacy Rights
31.Pregnancy and Parental Leave
32.Military Leave
33.The Right to Strike
34.Public Education for Children
35.Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
36.Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States

[yak]

wow this thread is all over the place, teacher unions and chevy cars with no brakes to grammer lessons. i'm just glad that we all agree that fords are not the truck to buy unless you like to get sucked into their ecoboost marketing. for anyone who has one trade it as soon as its off warranty because boosted ford motors are time bombs regardless of how much testing they do....

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by yak

wow this thread is all over the place, teacher unions and chevy cars with no brakes to grammer lessons. i'm just glad that we all agree that fords are not the truck to buy unless you like to get sucked into their ecoboost marketing. for anyone who has one trade it as soon as its off warranty because boosted ford motors are time bombs regardless of how much testing they do....

LMAO here's the first post of the thread, wonder if anyone read it:

Pick one, no whining please.

Chevy
Dodge
Ford

In alphabetical order for those that think I'm pre-judging.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by yak

wow this thread is all over the place, teacher unions and chevy cars with no brakes to grammer lessons. i'm just glad that we all agree that fords are not the truck to buy unless you like to get sucked into their ecoboost marketing. for anyone who has one trade it as soon as its off warranty because boosted ford motors are time bombs regardless of how much testing they do....

[dennis kirban]

Originally Posted by 68gtoMN

Sleepy, in situations like this you must remember the old adage which is timeless:

Never argue with an idiot - he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

The Ecoboost 3.5 was not designed to BEAT the Chevy 6.2 or any other engine purely on HP AND be expected to deliver better mileage in all situations. Nope. The goals were more modest. What Ford accomplished was to develop a compact and lightweight engine that produced great Torque (you know...the force the actually moves an object) from a very low RPM and maintain it across a wide RPM band. As a by product of the engine size, when not being called upon to tow heavy loads (twice the payload and towing of the Chevy hybrid 6.0), it would deliver great mileage. In addition, the smaller package and lighter weight would provide better weight distribution, better suspension tuning, better turning, better braking all without having to upgrade these ancillary systems (cost).

Ecoboost provides the equivalent (better) torque, sooner in the RPM range AND across a wider RPM range, from a smaller package all the while delivering equivalent or better fuel consumption figures. The engine was tested, on camera, through more severe duty cycles than most engines can imagine seeing in two lifetimes and it still maintained factory specs upon tear down.

Ford did a great job with their Ecoboost engine line. Perhaps not all will like the styling or brand or colors Ford offers. So be it. GM and Chrysler also make good trucks. The issue here is that Ford has effectively shifted the paradigm and some can't come to terms with it. Just like computer controls would spell the death knell to performance cars...er...oops - that did not happen, people can't grasp smaller, boosted engines replacing cubic inches...

The facts tell the true story. The Ford 3.5 Ecoboost delivers equal or better performance than the 6.2 Chevy or the 6.0 Hybrid without sacrificing it's work credentials (towing/payload).

There is another old adage to follow - don't spit into the wind.

With twin turbos, Ecoboost is blowing hard in Chevy's direction...

In relationship to this particular post regarding the comments on torque.....my main retail business is the turbo Buicks best known among non owners the black Grand Nationals which in 1987 much to the dismay of Corvette was the fastest US production car..period.

This was was accomplished with a 3.8 V6 engine and a turbo coupled to a special valve body in a 2004R trans which travelled to a 3.42 rear end ratio in a 8.5 housing all in about a 3,300 lb G body car.

When this car came out most GM hot rodders found it hard to believe that this package was more potent than the Monte Carlo SS 305 with 3.73 gearing and a 7.5 housing in the rear.

This was probably the first example in the 1980s....where low end torque versus HP showed people what the difference was.....at 3,200 rpm the little V6 Buick was pumping out 330 lb pounds of torque....on a cool spring day this was and is impressive.

No one can predict accurately what the values will be down the road on the new Ford trucks....I can tell you from first hand experience how the 1987 Grand National value worked out as I leased one brand new and the buy out was 1/3 of what I sold it for.

The days are long gone when gas will be anywhere near $3 per gallon, most of us will never ever adapt to electric cars and trucks so if engineers from either GM-Ford-Chrysler camps
can make things work with gas engines get low end torque let them go at it with either turbos or superchargers or whatever.

One thing is certain we live in the USA and are fortunate enough to have a wide variety to choose from.

[email protected]

If your taking a poll I have owned mostly GM trucks.....

[joshDub]

If you are really concerned about efficiency, reliability, and price why not go with a Toyota?

[hopper146]

Now that you have stated that these facts are incorrect, could you please put up facts to prove your claim??

Originally Posted by sleepy

This is a list a union stooge (member of my family) posted on facebook.
They really are brainwashed.


‎36 Reasons Why You Should Thank a Union
1.Weekends
2.All Breaks at Work, incl...uding your Lunch Breaks
3.Paid Vacation
4.FMLA
5.Sick Leave
6.Social Security
7.Minimum Wage
8.Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
9.8-Hour Work Day
10.Overtime Pay
11.Child Labor Laws
12.Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
13.40 Hour Work Week
14.Worker’s Compensation (Worker’s Comp)
15.Unemployment Insurance
16.Pensions
17.Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
18.Employer Health Care Insurance
19.Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
20.Wrongful Termination Laws
21.Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
22.Whistleblower Protection Laws
23.Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
24.Veteran’s Employment and Training Services (VETS)
25.Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
26.Sexual Harassment Laws
27.Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
28.Holiday Pay
29.Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
30.Privacy Rights
31.Pregnancy and Parental Leave
32.Military Leave
33.The Right to Strike
34.Public Education for Children
35.Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
36.Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States

[drailed]

As a brainwashed union stooge, I would love to know as well.

[hopper146]

Originally Posted by sleepy

This is a list a union stooge (member of my family) posted on facebook.
They really are brainwashed.


‎36 Reasons Why You Should Thank a Union
1.Weekends
2.All Breaks at Work, incl...uding your Lunch Breaks
3.Paid Vacation
4.FMLA
5.Sick Leave
6.Social Security
7.Minimum Wage
8.Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
9.8-Hour Work Day
10.Overtime Pay
11.Child Labor Laws
12.Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
13.40 Hour Work Week
14.Worker’s Compensation (Worker’s Comp)
15.Unemployment Insurance
16.Pensions
17.Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
18.Employer Health Care Insurance
19.Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
20.Wrongful Termination Laws
21.Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
22.Whistleblower Protection Laws
23.Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
24.Veteran’s Employment and Training Services (VETS)
25.Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
26.Sexual Harassment Laws
27.Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
28.Holiday Pay
29.Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
30.Privacy Rights
31.Pregnancy and Parental Leave
32.Military Leave
33.The Right to Strike
34.Public Education for Children
35.Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
36.Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States

1: In 1929 the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America was the first union to demand a five-day work week and receive it. After that, the rest of the United States slowly followed, but it wasn't until 1940 that the two-day weekend began nationwide.
2:It wasn’t until 1964, though, that the coffee break became a national issue. In June of that year, Time magazine reported on the negotiations between the United Auto Workers and the Big Three. At issue – a fifteen minute shutdown of machines for workers to enjoy a coffee break. Said UAW vice president Leonard Woodcock, “You have coffee breaks on assembly lines all over the world. Only the U.S. has no coffee breaks on the assembly line.” While other issues at those historic negotiations included health insurance, retirement benefits and a 5% raise, it was the coffee break issue that nearly brought about a strike. Time reported in September that 74,000 workers at Chrysler were poised to walk off the job in less than an hour when the company gave way and agreed to a 12 minute daily coffee break.
3:There is no general US law stating that you have to be paid vacation pay yet...every other country is way ahead of the US on this, but:Unionized workers receive 26% more vacation time and 14% more total paid leave (vacations and
holidays).

I could keep going, but everyone has been brainwashed by the big companies and Government that Unions are a BADDDDD thing, They would much rather have employees working 100hrs a week for minimum wage, And if you don't think this is true....wow...I have some prime swampland for sale....lol

[bigunde]

Originally Posted by sleepy

You're saying Union members are under paid and over worked? I thought they were in the union to keep the evil corporations from doing that.

' In my opinion" They are until the Company goes under. Then on to the next. Reminds me of the Borg on Star trek. LOL

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/st...chers-bad-kids


oops scratch that, they do own a stake in the " New GM"