[joegio]

I'm going on week 6.

[floffy]

Originally Posted by aronhk_md

I'll personally pay for the following to be printed on your primary tubes. "I love Ron's Tri-Y's!" Since you are such a fan.

LOL

BVR421 put your money where your mouth is and show your a standup guy.

[aronhk_md]

Joe....I know for a fact yours are on the jigs even as we speak. The new jigs for the new designs required adding some pieces to hold them tight as the welding occurs. So they have taken a bit longer. But I do hope you post here when you get them soon

[crustysarge]

HAHAHAHA---If you do not understand why the waiting period is so disproportionate, you need to read the thread and not just jump in spewing negatives and insults.


I have read, posted, and paid and I still don't understand why, explain it to me again, try and help me understand the part about paying and not receiving, that simple concept is where I am stuck at.

I like how Roger B. gets his name thrown around a lot. He has deep pockets, I know him well. Must have paid a premium to get up front.

[aronhk_md]

Roger Bolliger paid slightly more considering they were 2" headers, and yours were to be 1 3/4". Believe it or not....as you will. The 2" headers are $625, whereas current price for the 1 3/4" is $495. So yes, Roger paid more than you. If he had ordered the same header you had he would have paid the lower price.

Ron had a set of headers he wanted to fill your order with, but he had no cash at the time to ship them or coat them, as you know. I dont blame you for your decision not to pay shipping twice, or coating for that matter. I dont blame anyone for being upset at such a proposal. Its one reason he doesnt take shipping payment now until they are ready to go out the door. However those headers went to someone willing to do it. Soemone willing to have Ron owe them $50-$70 (shipping) rather than owe them $450 (headers) and shipping too.

The funny thing is if I had the pull BVR421 thinks I have you would still be getting a set of headers, not the pocket change Ron has been able to return to you so far. So much for my pull. What never clicked with you and some others here is that while I like Ron and dont think he's a crook, I got into this to help all the guys waiting.....by posting here the bits of info I had when Ron refused to post. Because it seemed to me the guys wanted any info, even if it wasnt new or great. I also didnt want these headers to go the way of the dinosaur. I ended up liking Ron in the process.

Would I have handled many things differently? Sure. Would it have made a difference? Maybe. My satisfaction is that for every one of you guys that bashes me, twenty thank me. And I get to talk to them about their cars. I have spent hours on the phone talking cars, and I get great enjoyment from that and meeting the people who share a love for the same and similar things that I do. And I have helped keep the Tri-Y's alive.

Old orders who get their headers, in some way shape or form, get them because I decided to try and help. So theres my power play BVR421. I get satisfaction knowing I helped, and yes it does make me feel good when it happens. Still, its been a headache for me too. Getting involved like I have has had its negatives for me personally as well, some of which is the time spent. I dont get a kickback on orders. There are easier ways than this for me to make a buck! And as I've mentioned so many times I'm still waiting for my headers. I had a set at one time, but sold them and handed the cash back to Ron to help out.

And I still feel rotten some people are still waiting. Strange when I'm not even part of the reason things are this way! I'd feel elated to know its all done. Hell, I'd celebrate! I'm going to celebrate when it is!

[roadrage david]

Originally Posted by crustysarge

i like how Roger B. gets his name thrown around a lot. He has deep pockets, I know him well. Must have paid a premium to get up front.

you dont know him at al!!. I do infact i sponserd him with oil for one race season and sponserd upper a arms for his car .. it was us who traveld to varius euro countries to suport him with the race weekends from the Red Bull ring / Hockenheim ecetera..
WE made the you tube videos that made him famous!!!..
I orderd my 2 inch headers befor he did.
Ron nearly finished mine befor he found out i have the fireing order swap.
No news sins from Ron ore when mine will be done.
but i know they wil come soon.. as it is my car will eneter the same league Roger drives in.. Roger is a BRIK LAYER bij profesion. his pockets are as deep as anybody els who works very hard en long for there money. and who spend it wizely... so dont pretend he is a rich man.. and that he pules rank on this one...

[crustysarge]

David, I try and refrain from responding to you but I do know Roger and have slept in his house and he has slept in mine. You probably know Laki too with is Mopars. I am not his best friend but I know him and his cars, and yes he is a mason, a Swiss mason. Swiss have deep pockets with a good exchange rate just like you with the Euro.

Since you hate me so much and want me to "put a sock in it" send me some strong Euros to pay for your friend Ron's debt and I will shut up. Until I see cash or headers I will continue to post and let everybody know many of us are still waiting and we were lied to. So until that happens you need understand the simple concept of freedom of speech or does your country not understand that?

[roadrage david]

Originally Posted by crustysarge

David, I try and refrain from responding to you but I do know Roger and have slept in his house and he has slept in mine. You probably know Laki too with is Mopars. I am not his best friend but I know him and his cars, and yes he is a mason, a Swiss mason. Swiss have deep pockets with a good exchange rate just like you with the Euro.

Since you hate me so much and want me to "put a sock in it" send me some strong Euros to pay for your friend Ron's debt and I will shut up. Until I see cash or headers I will continue to post and let everybody know many of us are still waiting and we were lied to. So until that happens you need understand the simple concept of freedom of speech or does your country not understand that?

I dont hate you, i DO HATE your stupid selfish way your ruin it not only for yourself but disreguard everybody els his chanses in getting there headers quiker.
your crying oud loud wil NOT speed things up for you and WILL delay things for everybody els.
And bij the way Swiss make good money yes, but have NO subsidise rulles in there country and everyting in swiss is nearly ``twice as ecspensif!!!``. Talking about ecschange rate you forgot one thing!!!!!! Everyting WE buy not only has a mutcg bigger shipping charge on it, But a 25% TAX not only on the parts ``valiuw`` we import but on the ``shipping`` costs as wel!!!!. so know your facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.`witch you obviusly dont... I personaly would not mind seing Ron putting you dead last in line!!. as your ramblings woned speed ANYTHING up for you on his side. Unfortunatly Me knowing Ron you be in line when HIS line reaches you ..... not a momend sooner ore later

[crustysarge]

Good, I'll ramble some more. I paid, got nothing but lies. Many others have done the same. Some lucky buyers got theirs while others continue to wait for no reason other than the same old excuses. At this point I don't expect anything from the man who lied to me and took my hard earned cash and then continued to lie to me. His tactic to lure me into not trying to get my money back before the AMEX/Paypal deadline worked well and I lost my money. Coincidence he led me on until after the date I could file a claim against him? I don't think so, I think he knew EXACTLY what he was doing.

If my posts stop one person from LOSING their money to Ron that is good. And if it means me or nobody else gets a set or money back then so be it. I said it before and I'll continue to say it "You are a fool if you send money to Ron". I will not rest on this issue until I see money or headers, $20 back after 18 months does not placate me. He also has my parts for my headers and I don't doubt one bit he used them on a set for somebody else. Excellent business he is running there, good way to inspire new customers.

Oh yeah, I know all about your VAT on merchandise and shipping along with high duty taxes as well. I also know how most Europeans "fudge" the value numbers including the high and mighty Germans and Swiss. I know what the cost of living is too, I have lived in Europe for 28 years and I know who has money and who doesn't.

[aronhk_md]

Roger ordered his headers approximately 2 years ago. He paid no more than any other person ordering a 2" set of headers. He placed his order knowing Ron had not even attempted the 2" design yet for his car. He actually now has a 2nd order that is yet to be filled. What I find interesting crustysarge, is that after going through all the details about how you have been ripped off (and you have multiple times) and how you were not bitter (also stated more than once), you have now resorted to making insinuations about other people. Roger, the other people who have received headers, me.....

I have approached you as someone that has a legitimate beef with Ron. You and the others owed headers or money have one, without a doubt. I have attempted to be courteous. I figured as a prior service guy you were honorable. Guess I was wrong.

P.S. - "I paid, got nothing but lies. Many others have done the same." This is an interesting claim. Yes, there are still some waiting. Yourself, Ducks Goat, and some others. But you are using the MANY there as a crutch. How many others crustysarge? Why dont you go down this monster list of people that Ron has lied to and stolen from but all those people continue to remain silent here with you as their representative? Since you represent them, and Ron has chosen not to speak on the subject here until the old orders are filled........perhaps you can enlighten the PY world regarding Ron's ponzi scheme and how many people are standing in line?

P.P.S. - It is also interesting to note that in addition to the insinuations mentioned above, you make assumptions about a man you probably know very little about in reality. You may have slept in Roger's house, and he in yours......but I doubt he knows much about your finances. And I doubt you know much about his. Roadrage David is right. That man works for a living. He isnt royalty living off a royal pension. If he has done well for himself its due to that work.

If things worked the way you insinuate, Roadrage David would have gotten his headers before Roger, because David has contributed far more to Ron than Roger has. Instead it has been circumstances dictating who gets what far more than who ordered what when.

David......Ron has not forgotten you.

[roadrage david]

Originally Posted by crustysarge

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Oh yeah, I know all about your VAT on merchandise and shipping along with high duty taxes as well. I also know how most Europeans "fudge" the value numbers including the high and mighty Germans and Swiss. I know what the cost of living is too, I have lived in Europe for 28 years and I know who has money and who doesn't.

Belive me its very difeculd to ""fudge"" part prices from the usa , Canadians however are mutch more ez in doing so. i know as i import lots of usa parts .
The american companys FEAR the tax man no sutch luck there!!!. So you did a 28 year european study who has money and who hassend !!.
Obviusly! you failed miserebly in doing so. whent home to your birth country. lost toutch with the USA reality during your absense . And are now living in sour grapes and weaker living standerds,. afther the headers didnt get there due to rezens we all know, start a frutless selfish campain beliving you can speed the dilivery of your headers up bij pursuading Ron to put YOU i frond of others .

Then blame us euopeans whe have deeper pockets. and acuse Ron of being biast and diliver us first!!!.>>> when do you wake up<<<. and stop making a fool of yourself and ride it out the way many of us are doing.
Sure every body gets frustrated at times me to... but Ron HAS SHOWN that he did NOT walk away from it while he could ez have done that. he IS building headers. and people get them.......... No is it so hard to understand that the more he sells the quiker you get your money ore your headers.... your reacting like a worm with a vision

[Charlie Brengun]

Originally Posted by crustysarge

the simple concept of freedom of speech or does your country not understand that?

It does (in its own way). Please don't take RD's words as everyone's opinion from our country.
I got the headers I was promised, quick as well and if you're ever in NL I'll be happy to show you them. Not that that that will do you any good but it may prove Ron's not a crook. I hope you get your money back soon.

[softbrain77]

Here is my story for those interested. I purchased headers, or gave money to Ron, on January 1 of this year. Told headers would be shipped on January 15 of what I thought was this year. I was one of the "new" orders to aid in the building of the "old" orders.

I also ordered a set of heads from Butler Performance then next day. They told me it would be approximately 2 months before I would receive heads. That's cool, I thought. It was winter....even if the headers take two months it's not big deal.

Well, now it's August and I'm pretty sure I'm headed into the "old" order file. Granted, not nearly as long a wait as alot of you guys. But aggravated just the same. And I'm a pretty patient sort of fellow.

I still reply to the email Ron sent to me that stated he received my money and the ship date of my headers. He never responds, but something about doing that just makes me feel better.

I'm in agreement with CrustySarge. Looking back, I wish I wouldn't have ordered these headers. I really don't anticipate ever receiving them. I could've put $500+ to good use somewhere else. Yes, I've read all of this thread and know how hard times have fallen on Ron.....but dang, it's tough all over. "the fit of these headers are unmatched."....doesn't mean s**t if I never get them.

That being said, if you must order these just beware. I was a "new" two week delivery order that hasn't gotten anything. Aron and Ron are your best buddies when you're considering it. When they get your money.....not so much.

And Aron, I do not understand your involvement in this whole procedure. I would've bailed on this a long time ago. I don't want to see anybody fail and I wouldn't have ordered these headers if I thought they were junk. But to get on here and make excuses...I just don't understand it. I guess I've just lost faith.

[crustysarge]

OK, we are straying from the real issue so let's get back on track. I don't know how many are waiting but several have posted and several have sent a message to me.

If Ron had a business sense he would show us the list we have asked for many times so we could understand where we are and come to terms with it. Instead we get silence. We are told it makes no difference because their is no order in who gets what. I disagree, it makes a huge difference. Is it so many we would be shocked or is it just a few? So I say Ron, step up and tell us how many. He has to know, he has our money. Why won't he do this simple thing? Time? I doubt it could take more than a hour if he has any kind of records. I continue to hear he is sending old orders now and then so that proves he has a list of who has paid and when. How about it Ron, share with us and I will be less critical. We don't even know where he is or how to contact him and as stated above he refuses to respond.

Oh and RD, your English is not bad, for sure better than my Dutch or other super high taxed liberal Northern European country but try and use the free translator software so I don't have to drink sour grape wine to read your jibberish. Read about the wealth of the Tri-Veneto area and then we will discuss living standards somewhere else.

Aron, don't stoop to slam my character based upon 22+ years of military service, it is beneath you.

[rustedgoat]

Crustysarge, exactly what headers did you order?

Also what specifically are all the other people waiting for 1st gen FB, 2", stainless?

I've ordered 2 sets at different times and they were delivered. One set was a week late but they did get delivered. Both were 1 3/4" for 70-81 birds & 68-73 A bodies one set d-port the other o-port. These he had jigs for, was capable of making them, and getting them shipped out.

Do COMPLETED jigs exist for the sets people are waiting for? Or did people basically preorder hoping things would just work out?

Either way I would do business with Ron again. That is, I would order something which has been shipping out.

[aronhk_md]

crustysarge.....no, the real issue is that it really is none of your business who else is owed headers if they have chosen not to post here. You are owed, and thats the only thing that IS your business, unless these several that have posted, and several that have messaged you chose to do so. Its interesting that "Many" has now changed to "several". So since Ron wont do it, why don't you step up and name names?

As for slamming you? Yes...I served for 15 yrs, and I'm allowed to comment. When you start making snide comments about me, or those who have received their headers...you deserve it. We dont deserve your comments.

softbrain77.....I'm really not sure of your circumstance. I have tried to help as I could, and I have guaranteed many sets of headers for people over the last year and a half. Part of my purpose was to pass on any info I knew.

rustedgoat...there are multiple reasons for delays, not just one. The new jigs are new.....and therefore a little slower to work from. He has to stop more times, unbolt them from the jig, walk to the test frame, bolt them in place to check fit......and he has to do it far more often that the old jigs due to familiarity.

MOST of the people owed headers are owed because they were old orders from 6 years ago and he needs to get the money to buy materials etc. Some of the others he owes are because at some point Ron spent the money received for a set of headers on something he needed for the shop at the moment. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Not good. I'm not going to make excuses for it. So when you only have $10 left in your bank account its hard to buy the 5 sets of flanges waiting at the supplier....until the next person orders.

[Mr Twister]

If you want to know the truth about how Aron handles deals I will tell you him and Ron are cut from the same mold.. Please pm me....

[aronhk_md]

hmmm...that wasnt expected. But so its in the open, I got from Mr Twister a set of hinges I hoped would work for the tilt front end of my trans am. He sent them, and we were going to come up with a price. Some time after, and he sent an email....then I sent one....but we had not agreed again on a price, when he saw me list my B&M megashifter for sale in the classifieds. He contacted me and indicated he could use it. That was toward the end of winter.

I agreed to give it to him as an even exchange. I have not sold it to anyone else, but I have yet to pull it from the car. And it sure has been a while, and then some. For which I apologize. I'm man enough to admit when I make a mistake. I'll PM you and we can either agree on a cash amount or the shifter out next week.

[russosborne]

OK, I can't let that one go.
I have dealt with Aron and I will post here exactly how it went.
He went way the @#$% out of his way to accommodate me when I bought a couple of items from him. I have also met some of his friends. They all seem cut from the same cloth, very honest and decent people willing to help out others. I would have NO problem dealing with him again.
Just my experience with the man.
Russ

[aronhk_md]

Thank you Russ, but he has every right to be upset. I'm the one who kept putting it off and then forgetting. Part of being honest is admitting when you are wrong, and I'm in the wrong here. Now I need to set it right...which I will.