[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Hey Boss

What else is known about this Black Deuce ?
Its going to be a PMD Internal or Zone Use Car
Has J for invoice number , and a discount code.

Whats the build date on it ?

Need a state or location to use for this 8-ball Deuce
or should i just use 8-Ball in Corner Pocket

[MikeNoun]

BVZ, regarding the Knafel RAV GTO:

The 1969 GTO Knafel GTO's were called "Golden Sabres", equipped with RAV's. There were supposedly 12 built. These 1969 GTO's were all ordered in white, had either 3.90 or 4.33 gears, and Hurst Wheels. Bill Knafel had an outfit in Florida repaint them Pearlescent White, and added the gold lettering (in gold leaf) which was all done by hand. The Golden Sabre logo featured a golden sabre (sword) under the handpainted script painted on the front fenders.

Knafel had a standing order with Pontiac to take all the RAIII, RAIV, and RAV engines that were not scheduled for production.

[The Boss]

The 8-Ball is a Michigan car now Todd, not sure how it was sold new. I thought the numbers looked cheap & zone 16 is in your neck of the woods - Charlotte, NC.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by The Boss

The 8-Ball is a Michigan car now Todd, not sure how it was sold new. I thought the numbers looked cheap & zone 16 is in your neck of the woods - Charlotte, NC.

UH ..... YEH
and BY GOD we want that dammm thang back here - right now !
sumbabich i never get a break on a 68 Ramanything

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

68 Firebird Ram Air II - 4spd
AA = Black 53 = Black Std Interior - The 8-Ball
Built at Lordstown Plant
Build Date
Invoice Date 7/25/68
From 32 / To 32
Zone 16 / Dealer 992 = PMD Zone Office 16 - PO Box 3547 - Charlotte NC 28203


347 Ram Air ............................................. blank
358 4spd Close Ratio ............................... 184.31
361 STT Hd Posi ...................................... 63.19
37P 3.90 Axle ............................................ n/c
382 AM Radio P.Btn .................................. 61.09
434 Hood Tach ........................................ 63.19
481 Dual Exhaust ....................................... n/c
494 Rally Stripes ...................................... 14.74
71M/72C F70x14 Wide-O Reds ...................... n/c
754 Front Shoulder Belts ............................. n/c
SPS Special Paint Solid (A) ........................ 10.53


Options Total ......................................... 397.05
Destination .............................................. 88.00
Base Price ............................................ 2781.00

Sub Total ............................................. 3266.05

Ram Air II .............................................. 747.77

TOTAL ................................................ 4013.82

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Label Price .......................................... 4013.82

[muscle_collector]

why is it that these ra2 threads are always so interesting.

[Racer81x]

Got caught up in the shop this afternoon, and it was rainning so I didn't go out to my yard to pull parts, so I went through a couple albums of cars that my dad has owned, here are the only pics I found of the black/aqua paint car.
Pics were taken from 1968-1970

[The Boss]

That's wild!

[Cammer-6]

Originally Posted by The Boss

Here's another on for you to run through the spreadsheet Todd - although it's already confirmed.

68 RA II/4spd Firebird, Black on Black, numbers matching except for the transmission, currently being concourse restored.

I have the trans he needs
was NOS (over the counter) no VIN M 21
I myself would leave it without the VIN,then it was a legit replacement.

[Judge273]

Those chrome nosed birds look so cool. That two tone roundy is just dope!

[Cammer-6]

heres one I just made for ya

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Racer81x thanks for taking the time and sharing those old pictures of your Dads old Ram2 2tone Bird. Looks like a real sleeper.
I could see about any early camaro SS or Z28 wanting to pounce on that car.

Just as a tip for in the future about scanning old polaroids, my first ones came out that way too. There is an option before it makes the scan - to fit the size to the full pane. They come out a lot bigger and better that way, no gaps around the edges.

Hope that Bird turns up again for you guys.

Column shifted ones were the first ones to get butchered modified or parted out around here in the 80's and 90's.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thanks for the Golden Sabre pic/info Mike.
Hoping the GoatFinder article had more info and different pictures.
Thats probably all thats known and the only pic out there i guess.

[keith k]

Love the turquoise over black car! Hope it's still out there somewhere...

[dameyerfam]

A friend and I took our cars to work and could not pass up this photo opportunity. His 455 and new tires get me off the line. My bird is wearing bald bias ply tires from 1979, but once over 35 I reel him in. I bet it was a sight to see these old cars tearing down the back roads.

I took my son for his first ride this year and he said it goes like a rocket.

[Cammer-6]

34 year old tires?
yikes!
a friend who was a GM engineer coined the phrase for those tires(when new even)
"unsafe sitting in the driveway"
Glad to see it still getting a good workout tho. Just be careful,both you and car are irreplaceable.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

The color looks great with that body.
Pretty sure its the first 68 Bird i've seen that color.
Seen a few 69's with it.

Thanks for the picture !
Do you have any old pictures of it from back when ?

I agree with Cammer , might be time for a spare set of wheels and some new tires.
If you're wanting to preserve the vintage stuff/look.

Great car man.

[Racer81x]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Just as a tip for in the future about scanning old polaroids, my first ones came out that way too. There is an option before it makes the scan - to fit the size to the full pane. They come out a lot bigger and better that way, no gaps around the edges.

Thanks for the tip, I had never used the scanner much at all for old pics, but will know for next time

I'll ask my dad this week what options he ordered on his 2 tone car and share the info, I know he said it had 3.90's in the rear and he swaped them out with 4.56's.
He said he had raced 5 or 6 396 375HP camaros when he was in college in OK, and smoked every one of them!

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by Racer81x

Thanks for the tip, I had never used the scanner much at all for old pics, but will know for next time

I'll ask my dad this week what options he ordered on his 2 tone car and share the info, I know he said it had 3.90's in the rear and he swaped them out with 4.56's.
He said he had raced 5 or 6 396 375HP camaros when he was in college in OK, and smoked every one of them!

where did he go to college in oklahoma at? was he from here back then?

[Racer81x]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

where did he go to college in oklahoma at? was he from here back then?

He went to central state college in Edmond to go to school to be a mortician, no he was from iowa.