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PB · 07-02-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lloyd-TX

BTW, I've forgotten, is your HO LeMans Y99 suspension equipped?
If so, methinks I'll be using your numbers. your A/C car ought to be closer to my car than just about any other that I've seen yet.

Yup, Y99 equipped. Has all the WW5 options on it...and then some!

Mine is an AM/FM stereo too..thought those weighed more? hmmm...

Forrest · 07-03-2007, 09:57 AM

This is my 72 h/o convert. may not help you , just thought I would show just in case.... the frt. is 2650, kinda hard to read

Lloyd-TX · 07-03-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Forrest

This is my 72 h/o convert. may not help you , just thought I would show just in case.... the frt. is 2650, kinda hard to read

Thanks, Forrest.

Interesting that your HO 'vert is rated only about 75-80# heavier than Pat's HT.
Is yours an M22 or M40 car? With or without A/C?

I sure appreciate all the replies, just wish I could reach Dave now, been trying since yesterday AM with no luck.

Need to order this stuff ASAP, since I'm leaving for Tulsa next Wednesday AM. If the whole danged event doesn't get flooded out, that is!

Lloyd-TX · 07-03-2007, 03:05 PM

Great news - Dave called me back this afternoon and my labels will be on the way shortly. Just in time for the 'nats.

Thanks to everyone for posting/sending your compliance label pics and info.

Since Pat's LeMans is most closely optioned to my car, I chose his GVW numbers, though I had to guess on the F-R numbers since the F+R weights should add up exactly to the GVWR. I chose 2640# front and 2530# rear.

Jack Peters · 07-03-2007, 04:27 PM

Lloyd,

Usually the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) does not change because of options that may or may not be on the car unless HD Suspension, Towing Package or some other option that may add to the RATING of the car. The options on a car only decrease the AVAILABLE weight that can be put in the car.
Example: The rating of the vehicle is 5200#. The actual weight of the car is 3900#. Add the driver of 200 you end up with 4100#. The maximum load is now only 900#.

Y99, or in my case Y96 suspension, endura nose, air conditioning adds weight but does not usually affect the maximum rating of the vehicle.

Do not mix the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating and Shipping Weight/Curb Weight/Actual Scale Weight with out driver. I deal with commercial vehicles all the time and this confusion exists there also. Hope this helps.

Lloyd-TX · 07-03-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Peters

Lloyd,

Usually the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) does not change because of options that may or may not be on the car unless HD Suspension, Towing Package or some other option that may add to the RATING of the car. The options on a car only decrease the AVAILABLE weight that can be put in the car.
Example: The rating of the vehicle is 5200#. The actual weight of the car is 3900#. Add the driver of 200 you end up with 4100#. The maximum load is now only 900#.

Y99, or in my case Y96 suspension, endura nose, air conditioning adds weight but does not usually affect the maximum rating of the vehicle.

Do not mix the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating and Shipping Weight/Curb Weight/Actual Scale Weight with out driver. I deal with commercial vehicles all the time and this confusion exists there also. Hope this helps.

I totally agree with you, Jack.

I have no explanation as to why, but I've now seen about 6 or 7 '72 A-body compliance labels, and EACH AND EVERY single one has unique GVWR, GAWR front and rear numbers.

If I can get a word in edgewise, I'm gonna pose this very question to John Sawruk at the convention.

?????

Uncle Judge · 07-03-2007, 11:12 PM

Hi Lloyd, I just saw your post now. If you have a few days I can get over to my building and snap a few pics of the lucy blue WW-5 4 speed hardtop label for you. Emial me directly if you need it. Thanks!

Forrest · 07-04-2007, 08:12 AM

Hey LLoyd, my `72 has a/c and is auto, also has the endura/gt option, glad it all worked out for you!

Lloyd-TX · 07-05-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Judge

Hi Lloyd, I just saw your post now. If you have a few days I can get over to my building and snap a few pics of the lucy blue WW-5 4 speed hardtop label for you. Emial me directly if you need it. Thanks!

I appreciate the offer, Jeff, but . . . Sparks beat you to it, LOL!

mmarx · 07-05-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Peters

Lloyd,

Usually the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) does not change because of options that may or may not be on the car unless HD Suspension, Towing Package or some other option that may add to the RATING of the car. The options on a car only decrease the AVAILABLE weight that can be put in the car.
Example: The rating of the vehicle is 5200#. The actual weight of the car is 3900#. Add the driver of 200 you end up with 4100#. The maximum load is now only 900#.

Y99, or in my case Y96 suspension, endura nose, air conditioning adds weight but does not usually affect the maximum rating of the vehicle.

Do not mix the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating and Shipping Weight/Curb Weight/Actual Scale Weight with out driver. I deal with commercial vehicles all the time and this confusion exists there also. Hope this helps.

Wouldn't the different available tire sizes have an effect on GVWR?

It would be interesting to note what the factory tire size was on each of these cars.

My WW5 came with G60-15's which I would think would have a different MAX. rating than a G/F70-14. Could this be the variances that we are seeing between seemingly similar cars? Just a thought...

Mike

Jack Peters · 07-05-2007, 06:49 PM

You are right. I forgot that the tire size would change the rating because the tire itself has a rating on it. The following would change the rating. (GVWR)
1. Tire size
2. Optional heavy duty suspension (which usually means stouter springs)
3. Towing package (again stouter springs)
4. Sport/special handling (again stouter springs)
5. Air shocks

However, all things being equal and one has a 4 speed and the other an automatic or one has a 400 and the other a 455 would make no difference in what the car is rated at. It would however change the load available because the weight of the car changed. Same for air vs non air. It just makes the curb weight more but does not alter the rating for the car.

Typically old station wagons had a greater rating than a sedan or ht because of the larger tires and heaver duty springs.

PB · 01-15-2013, 10:53 AM

REVIVE OH GREAT THREAD!

Found this info.....under the model, the W/W62 means with GTO option and the D/W62 is delete GTO option? Am I reading that right?

Sport71 · 01:06 PM

Lloyd's old thread - very informative. Speaking of which, where has he been hiding lately? I hope he's doing ok ...

(Pat - no hijacking intended)

The Boss · 01-15-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sport71

Lloyd's old thread - very informative. Speaking of which, where has he been hiding lately? I hope he's doing ok ...

(Pat - no hijacking intended)

I was thinking the same thing - I'll have to give him a call.

Bentwheelbob · 01-15-2013, 02:04 PM

I called yesterday to check up on him. He's was doing fine, but said he was sick through the holidays and still trying to dig out.

Call and give him h_ll.

RicksGTO · 02:22 PM

on the F-bodies, we found the weights were not added to the conformance label until mid-December of '71 for the '72 model year cars. Wondering if there was a similar mid-year change over on the A-bodies? I noticed the revision date on the GTO labels that Pat posted is 10-20-71 so that leads me to believe there may have been early '72's with the old label that contained only VIN and month-year of build.

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