[KEN CROCIE]

Anyone have problems with the TCI 6x. My gripe is that there is no engine braking on downshift. It just freewheels until the roadspeed/rpm matches the selected lower gear. Makes a paddle shifter useless for its intended purpose.

[Junkyard Dog]

First I have ever heard of this trannie.

[Junkyard Dog]

http://ls1tech.com/forums/automatic-...e-use-one.html

Ken, others say the same. Apparently this is the way that they are made.

Wait, UPDATE, see one guy's post a little ways down on that thread:

I'm using the 6x...
I have nothing but good things to say about it..

I dont know why the other guy says he doesnt have engine braking, but I do...no problems
might be in the controller side of it.
I use the Older PCS/Redbox trans controller...
I can leave the TCC locked up above a certain speed and it will allow engine braking

[HWYSTR455]

There may also be a setting that unlocks under X tps input, usually 2-4%. That can be set to 0 if desired. But that effects overall mpg, fyi.

A lot of controllers don't lock up unless you're in drive or overdrive (3 or OD). You can select 'Towing Mode' to overcome this, if the option is there. Some require a manual switch to select towing mode.

I would have to look at the controller manual to figure out if any other options are available to allow for engine braking. Might be able to call tech support and see if they can make suggestions too.
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[HWYSTR455]

You should probably call support...

TCC Lockup / Forced TCC Lockup
The TCU locks up the torque converter clutch during cruising conditions for improved fuel economy
and to allow the transmission fluid to cool. In order for the TCC to lock, several conditions must be
met:
- Transmission fluid warmed up
- Transmission above 3rd gear (unless transmission fluid is overheated)
- Vehicle speed above user adjustable minimum (see MIN TCC LOCK setting)
- Throttle above idle position
- Throttle below user adjustable maximum (see MAX TCC TPS setting)
NOTE: TCC lockup can be completely disabled if desired by entering an unobtainable speed for the
MIN TCC LOCK setting. The vehicle would then always be below the minimum speed for TCC
lockup.
There is also a Forced TCC Lockup mode. When the TCC APPLY wire is grounded, the TCC will
lock without the normal requirements being met. The only conditions that must be met are in place to
prevent stalling if this feature is accidentally turned on or left on:
- Transmission above 1st gear
- Vehicle speed above 10 mph


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[KEN CROCIE]

HWY: Called tech support first. Stated there is no engine braking on downshift. was adamant to being rude.The trans is at Machinehead Powersports in Austin TX. , behind the ALum. 535 I did 2 years ago. Kevin (crocie jr) has tried many ways to make it happen, but i will direct him to this post. Check out my post on the TCI transmission website-Basically "we never said it would have engine braking."

[HWYSTR455]

Originally Posted by KEN CROCIE

HWY: Called tech support first. Stated there is no engine braking on downshift. was adamant to being rude.The trans is at Machinehead Powersports in Austin TX. , behind the ALum. 535 I did 2 years ago. Kevin (crocie jr) has tried many ways to make it happen, but i will direct him to this post. Check out my post on the TCI transmission website-Basically "we never said it would have engine braking."

Yeah, more I think about it, it would probably also require valve body mods on top of forced lock up. Best I could suggest would be talk to Jakeshoe, see if he has any suggestions/solutions. I know he makes a trans brake, and has intimate knowledge of the 4L80E valve bodies. You can PM him here, or go to his website and grab his contact info:

http://www.jakesperformance.com/

I know he also does a full manual valve body, so maybe it's possible to do a combination in order to get trans braking on decell.

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[Skip Fix]

Jakeshoe "just up the road' above the Dallas -Ft. Worth area in North Texas.

[77HANDMEDOWN]

http://www.powertraincontrolsolution...ed-Valve-Body/

At least as far as what these dudes say you would need a modded valve body with an additional solenoid to have true engine braking. That is one of the little hang ups I have about 4l80e. PTCS is supposed to have the Mercedes Benz of controllers though and can control anything you could want to adjust from the controller stand point compared to some cheaper although more straight forward and simpler modules out there.

You can also turn your trans into a 5 or 6 speed. 6 speed would be best with different gears though. I see no real reason to not go 5 if you are already getting the VB but 6 sure seems sweet to me if the money was there.

[Sirrotica]

4L80Es which the 6X is based from does not have engine braking in stock form and people that buy chevy trucks for the first time with the 4L80E think the tranny is broken when in reality it is how the Hydramatic division designed it to save fuel by letting the engine drop back to idle in a coasting situation.

Jake probably can tell you in a few seconds how to change the electric or hydraulic programing to enable engine braking if it is possible to attain it. He also has a full manual valve body conversion to make the tranny semi-automatic that might include engine braking in it's features.

[CROCIE JR]

Totally exhausted with the trans. I run a business. I have over 100 hrs Fing with it, with no pay. As far as the handheld, I have tried all combos I can think of. Not that there is more I havnt. I need an absolute here. Install so and so's valve body and it works. Or, hook these wires up and it works. I hate to say it but I will do a few more hours of work on this trans if I can be assured the end result will be what my customer is expecting. The tech department needs to realize they rep TCI as a whole. The condescending and rude comments from multiple folks over there, will make me reconsider all future purchases from TCI. They know it doesnt engine brake and have a "what do you want to do about it" mentality. Never have I felt, from any of the tech team, that we were going to work together to find an ending to this nightmare. Good news is I just installed a Art Carr 2004r in a 70 camino I built (408 Dart 525hp) and it works as advertised. Played with the TV 1 time and havnt touched it since. Makes me and my shop look real good. The TCI trans has my customer wondering how I wipe my ass in the morning. Not a good feeling.

[HWYSTR455]

That's a shame, and certainly no way to do buisness. I do believe that attitude/behavior will come back around to bite them, blows me away people don't understand that. Maybe call and talk to management, and express your dissatisfaction, I'm sure they would appreciate the feedback. Hopefully your customer comes to an understanding as well, and see that you did everything within your power to recify the situation. Good luck with that, hate hearing stories like this...

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[KEN CROCIE]

UPDATE: The trans is DOA. was sent back to TCI because of slipping(300-400 miles). was told it was "burnt out" AND they had the downshift problem solved. Turned out to be a lie.. The trans lasted another 50 mi. The car won't move. Go to the TCI forums and input 6x in the search box.

[critter]

You need to visit with Mark at Bowler Transmissions. The 80e and its variants did not have engine braking. I've never heard of a way to force it. The guys at Bowler had a 4L60e road race auto tranny that did have engine braking. Not sure how robust it was. They could fill you in.

http://bowlertransmissions.com

Also visit with Steve at Twist Machine. They are good people. Maybe he can offer some insight.

http://twistmachine.com

[HWYSTR455]

Wow. Really sorry to hear about your experience(s), I hate hearing stuff like this. Hope you get that all ironed out.

What is the specific app? Maybe there's an alternative selection that would provide the features required?

Holy moly-b lube those Bowler trans' are expensive!

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[KEN CROCIE]

Well we really can't throw transmissions at it till we find one that works. The TCI pkg. is trans , bell, converter, controller, flexplate, paddle shifter, and more to the tune of $8200 plus installation plus un installation, plus installation of the next trans. The trans has a lifetime warr. but TCI won't touch the labor or shipping. Kevin ate the last removal and re-installation.

[critter]

Bowler builds for the high end pro-touring car set. Most of them have stupid money and he charges accordingly. But he gets great reviews on his stuff.

I have the red box TCI controller on my factory 4L80e and have never actually looked for a manner to lock up the torque converter for engine braking. I'm about to recalibrate the TPS since I installed new heads and changed up the brackets so I might poke around looking for that while I'm in there with the laptop.

The newer controllers are designed for a dumbed down user interface so even if I find anything I'm not sure it would translate to your setup. Support at TCI should be the ones to help. I was fortunate enough when I was setting mine up to have a man from their staff who actually came to my house and helped me get 80e working. Great young man but he's no longer with them. Their loss.

[critter]

Apparently there is a function to force torque converter lockup via the software I have. That said, I have concerns that forcing the lockup under heavy load of engine braking at the track might make short work of your converter and said transmission. i'll ask around about it.

[critter]

This from Steve at Twist:

"While you should enable the per gear settings to get the most of the lock up clutch, you will still only have engine braking with the mechanical gear selector in "3". The trans itself is not locked up without that overrun clutch in the trans engaged."

I've never tried this personally so travel at your own risk.

[KEN CROCIE]

UPDATE: Just got permission fromTCI to send trans back for a full refund. I'll post update when it happens.